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07 April, 2005

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Dismissing MMA's protest over mix marathons, the government has directed the cabinet members and its legislators to organize women marathons in every district. While, the religious alliance terming the mix marathons unislamic, has vowed to stop them by force. The MMA says it is not against women sports, or any other healthy activity, but that must be in accordance with Islamic values and local culture. The government says that women's participation in marathons will promote the country's soft image in the world.

The Punjab Assembly adopted a resolution with majority on April 5 condemning the alleged attack on the participants of mix marathon in Gujranwala and recommended that anti terrorists act should be imposed against the people involved in the incident and dubbing it as a conspiracy to tarnish the country's image, while the opposition said the government should first bring its own families into such events before indulging the general public into it.

Following the strong reaction of MMA in Gujranwala, the district governments of Multan, Sargodha and Bahawalpur dropped the idea of mix marathons in respective districts, but the Punjab government has ordered the district officials to organize mix marathons as per schedule.

Q-1 Can mix marathons promote Pakistan's soft image?

Q-2 Was MMA's protest over women marathon in Gujranwala a right step?

Q-3 what other steps, besides women marathons, should be taken to promote Pakistan's soft image?

Reader Comments:

MMA's ATTACK on Gujranwala

MMA's attack on Gujranwala

I will only believe that Pakistan has rule of law if Qazi Hamidullah of the MMA is arrested and prosecuted for what happened at the Gujranwala Mini Marathon on Sunday. He led people to burn cars and destroy public property, so he is responsible for what happened. Demanding that women not run in the marathon is outrageous. What right does he have to do that? What right does he have to impose his believes on others? If he feels that women running in some how “vulgar” then he should move to Saudi Arabia! Also, he has the nerve to blame the authorities for what happened in Gujranwala; he says that had the authorities stopped women from running, nothing would have happened. The MMA protests against women running in a marathon but does not protest when women are paraded naked on the streets, as it happened in the NWFP, and raped.
These people should not be allowed to blackmail Pakistanis and hold us hostage. Kudos to the local administration of Gujranwala for going with the women's race, I hope they hold a similar race next year and don't buckle down under pressure from the extremists just like Musharaf, who backs down whenever the extremists make noise.
Things like this show us that Musharaf's “enlightened moderation” is nothing but 2 fancy words. He keeps going back on his words and keeps giving the extremists more room to make our lives hell.

Its not the MMA members' sisters or mothers that are running anyways, they are probably locked in their homes; women running want to run and it is their decision. No one has the right to stop me from running in marathon or working, or flying a plane, etc. I will do what I want to. MMA members should worry about the women from their own families. Nobody has the right to impose their opinion/beliefs on anyone else.

MMA is always wrong! They keep creating problems for us Pakistanis. While Qazi Hussain travels in First class, he wants us to be simple and "Islamic." Qazi Hussain is a bigot!

The Government should hold mixed Marathons all over Pakistan as well as the NWFP and show the Mullahs that its not their business to dictate what is right and what is wrong! The Mullahs should focus on putting an end to sectarianism.

Sara Khan, Pakistan - 18 April, 2005

marathon

The day men in the east accept women as their true equals then these kind of issues can be worked on. You in the east are truly backward !!!!!!!



Sid, Pakistan - 18 April, 2005

Lets answer the questions

I feel we have become overly concerned with correcting our image. I am not saying that its wrong to correct ones image but it is better to correct ourselves. I don't understand Y Govt and Opposition are bent upon raising issues that only create controversy. Their are many more things in the country to fix than asking women to come in mixed marathons. Govt should respect the local cultures and traditions and deal with the things that are important to people. Improve their education, Improve their living conditions, reduce the corruption, protect the enviornment(clean street and clean minds included), the image will improve automatically.
I donot support the way that MMA reacted, its also a shame, BUT the action of Govt is also unnecessary and wrong.. If it really wanted a marathon it could have arranged a women only marathon at a proper venue. That would have still been good for women health. I say stop cheating people please by raising false issues..
AND those who believe in doing this JUST to Improve the Image (that is in other words to please their Christian and Jew friends)should read this Ayah "
002.120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah."

Al-Qur'an, 002.120 (Al-Baqara [The Cow])

Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.9

Rizwan S Choudhry, United Arab Emirates - 19 April, 2005

WHAT THE REAL PROBLEM IS?

every country has its own culture.culture takes a long time to develop.it is not possible to enforce the culture of one country on other.as it is impossible to enforce western women to wear pakistani dress and do pakistani customs similarly it is impossible to enforce pakistani to do what westerns do.i think we should respect eachother culture,religion,and civilizations.it is not a matter of force we should respect eachothers.if not we would face the consequences as we r facing now as the loss of the wold peace.power is not solution for everything.as it is difficult for westerns to see a women in complete dress from top to bottom.same it would be difficultfor pakistanis to see a women seminaked in that sports dress.the problem is that some countries dont understand the cultures of other countries and they think that with power they would enforce their cultures or dresses on other countries and it would be a soft image huhh.......is it important for every weak country to have each and every thing of a strong country and endure that.....huhh

john, Pakistan - 20 April, 2005

ALL U PEAOPLE SHOULD BECAME FREE ESPESIALLY MUSLIMS

all the muslims should know THAT WHAT WOULD THEY DO IF THEIR GOD ASKS THEM FOR ALL THESE STUPID COMMENTS.IF U R MUSLIMS U SHOULD BELIEVE IN GOD.IF U BELIEVE IN GOD U SHOULD BELIEVE IN QAYAMAH.WHAT U DONT BELIEVE.ITS YOUR OWN PROBLEM BUT LISTEN THE TIME WILL COME AND ON THAT DAY I WILLTELL ALL OF YOU THAT I HAD WARNED U.I WILL SEE YOUR DISSAPOINTED FACES ON THAT DAY.WHAT DO THINK THAT THESE MULLANAS ARE FOR THEY R 2 TELL U THE GOD'S MESSAGE.GOD HAS ORDERED US AND ALL THE TRUE MUSLIMS WILL OPPOSE EACH AND EVERY SUCH ACT WHICH IS AGAINST THE ORDERS OF GOD.BECAUSE WE DO BELIEVE IN QAYAMA.DO U THINK U ALL SUCH MUSLIMS WOULD GET AWAY WITH THIS.DO U THINK IT IS SOFT IMAGE TO SEMINUDIFY YOUR SISTERS AND MOTHERS ON THE ROADS.THEN U WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IT IS A SOFT IMAGE TOO TO HAVE CHEAP ROSTITUTES IN EACH AND EVERY MARKETS AND STREETS OF OUR COUNTRIES.HUHH.
WHAT IS SOFT IMAGE AND WHAT IS BRIGHT THINKING.DO U THINK IS THERE ANYTHING BRIGHTER THAN YOUR RELIGION.I THINK THAT MUSLIMS LIKE U THINK THAT ISLAM IS NOT A BLESSING..JUST WAIT WAIT A LITTLE.70 OF 72 ALAMAH'S[SYMBOLS] OF QAYAMAH ARE ALREADY FULLFILLED..GOD WILL TELL U INSHALLAH THAT WHAT IS A SOFT IMAGE..HE WILL TELL U THAT WHAT IS OLD RELIGION JUST LITTLE WAIT..WE HAVE SEEN TSUNAMI IT IS A WARNING FOR ALL SUCH MUSLIMS..all your minds would become clean just wait a litle.on one side muslim blood is being sheded and other hand u r passing these comments,have u ever passed comments on that blood shed..huhhh

YOUTH OF PAKISTAN, Iceland - 20 April, 2005

Marathon is good thing

There were no shorts or seminudity at the marathon. You will find women wearing more tiltillating clothing at weddings. Those who are against this marathon are women haters with ignorant views of Islam. Aside from getting emotional and screaming, they can offer nothing else. I condemn the MMA for attacking innocent women and I condemn all those who support religious thugs like the MMA.

Aamir, Pakistan - 20 April, 2005

huhh.it is nothing.....

people, there is no great deal in such things.instead that the God does not like it and this is a little thing for you very little.GOD does not like it it is ok for you.
I donot say it, QURAN says it.now those people who dont believe in QURAN and say that these are ignorant views we should not bother them.and those who does not say that WE are WE and WE r RIGHT but say that what GOD say is right and want to clear their mind about pardah in islam should know that the orders of pardah are so clear that their is nothing vivid about pardah.but some people think Quran is full of ignorant thoughts ,Quran is old.study the history and you will find that even unbelievers of the Prophet[pbuh]'s time said that Quran is full of ignorant views.looks like they were also modern like these people.GO stand with them and say everything what those unbelievers said..huhhh.by the way those muslim buzargs who like girls in that dress running in a muslim country streets,have u ever touched Quran.have u ever offered prayers have you ever read hadith.reading your ultramodern views looks like you r phd in ISLAM.

jawaid, Pakistan - 23 April, 2005

what is right

1-the history of muslim countries show that even totally leaving the islamic culture and religion did not promoted a soft image for them.eg the people of yugoslawia were totally like unislamic people even their names were not islamic but serbians cruelly killed those yugoslayians saying that who knows you may become muslim again in future.then how such activities in a country like Pakistan can promote a soft image.infact pakistan has no hard image.FOR eg Pakistan has lost its half part because of its oversoft foreign policy. it has always tried to be a peaceful country throughout its history recently it even gave its 12 airbases for the socalled war against the socalled terrorist it even bombarded its own areas and wasted its own army for this war.so Pakistan's image is always so soft as cotton for even enemies.
2-the opposition in such manner is not good. MMA should aware the people of this country in all issues and oppose peacefully.but the problem with our government is that it become deaf and blind to peacefull opposition and does not care for peacefull opposition.every human may do some wrong in life so we should not hate ulamas because the Prophet[PBUH] said'the one who does not behave kindly to youngers,does not respect elders and does not respect ulamas is not among us'.so in the light of this hadith we should respect ulamas it is a very harsh warning for every muslim who hate and does not respect ulamas.the 'muslims' who does not care about Quran and Hadith..we do not bother them.
3-the steps like this unfair marathon should not be taken .the following steps should be taken for the development of Pakistani women;
a- we should give respect to muslim women.
b - we should promote sports in which women are in respectable dress away from the eyes of men so that they may feel secure.in Iran there are healthy activities like sports for women but those activities are only watched by women and are not captured by camera.
c- our women are our mothers,daoughters,sisters,and wives.we should respect them .they are the makers of our future generations so we should educate them nicely so they may develop a honest,educated,decent and good muslim generation.
we should know that only Islam is our weopon to be safe from all kind of enemies without Islam we cant cant ever defend our self from our enemies. recent times are very bad for muslims we should develop a firm contact to Islam and ALLAH we have no other safe abode in these times.

Naeem, Pakistan - 23 April, 2005

marathon in pakistan

we may decide about the marathon [if it wrong or right] in the light of the following facts..
1-the history of muslim countries show that even totally leaving the islamic culture and religion did not promoted a soft image for them.eg the people of yugoslawia were totally like unislamic people even their names were not islamic but serbians cruelly killed those yugoslayians saying that who knows you may become muslim again in future.then how such activities in a country like Pakistan can promote a soft image.infact pakistan has no hard image.FOR eg Pakistan has lost its half part because of its oversoft foreign policy. it has always tried to be a peaceful country throughout its history recently it even gave its 12 airbases for the socalled war against the socalled terrorist it even bombarded its own areas and wasted its own army for this war.so Pakistan's image is always so soft as cotton for even enemies.
2-the opposition in such manner is not good. MMA should aware the people of this country in all issues and oppose peacefully.but the problem with our government is that it become deaf and blind to peacefull opposition and does not care for peacefull opposition.every human may do some wrong in life so we should not hate ulamas because the Prophet[PBUH] said'the one who does not behave kindly to youngers,does not respect elders and does not respect ulamas is not among us'.so in the light of this hadith we should respect ulamas it is a very harsh warning for every muslim who hate and does not respect ulamas.the 'muslims' who does not care about Quran and Hadith..we do not bother them.
3-the steps like this unfair marathon should not be taken .the following steps should be taken for the development of Pakistani women;
a- we should give respect to muslim women.
b - we should promote sports in which women are in respectable dress away from the eyes of men so that they may feel secure.in Iran there are healthy activities like sports for women but those activities are only watched by women and are not captured by camera.
c- our women are our mothers,daoughters,sisters,and wives.we should respect them .they are the makers of our future generations so we should educate them nicely so they may develop a honest,educated,decent and good muslim generation.
we should know that only Islam is our weopon to be safe from all kind of enemies without Islam we cant cant ever defend our self from our enemies. recent times are very bad for muslims we should develop a firm contact to Islam and ALLAH we have no other safe abode in these times.

N-Wahhab, Pakistan - 23 April, 2005

Modernists

To become modernists you have to have mixed Marathons. You must have Page 3 Girls in your Newspapers . Pakistan is going the right way to be come a Modern State & give freedom to its women to do anything they like just as in the UK.

dave, United Arab Emirates - 24 April, 2005

Mean Mullah Marathon!

I have a suggestion to make to the authorities. Please Invite 1000 healthy bearded members of the Mean Mullah Alliance to dress up in shuttlecock burqas and run wild from the Shahi Mosque to Fortress Stadioum in Lahore.
They should be chased by 100 hungry Spanish bulls. Mullahs should be allowed to carry bamboo sticks to save themselves from Bulls. If they kill all the bulls, give them a one way ticket to
Saudi Arabia. It is more likely Bulls will hurt or kill few Mullahs too, which will be nice gesture. Tell them that these bulls are acutlly KAFIRS and God wants them to sacrifice their lives for the cause of Islam. Show them few computer generated pictures of Hoors waiting for them in Jannah. Bleeding Mullahs competing against Bulls will creat a big tourist attraction and much better softer image for Pakistan. Ask Spaniards. I am confident that, If promoted properly this event can attract international media attention. Please give it a serious consideration.

Anwar Raza, Pakistan - 24 April, 2005

What a sad state of affairs?

I would like to refer the readers to Surah Noor in the Quran. Read the meaning and Tafsir. People who are Muslims and believe in Quran and Sunnah and the Day of Judgement should have no problem understanding if this marathon is Islamically correct or not. The rest of the enlightened moderates need not bother. This discussion is moot. The enlightened moderates in Paksitan will continue doing what they believe in. Allah (S) says on Surah Al-Baqarah that hearts of people who don't fear Allah (S) have been sealed by HIM.

A Pakistani, Pakistan - 26 April, 2005

We as a muslim should consult to Quran and hadith what they says. If Quran and hadith permits then who can stop it. But if Quran and hadith stops who can permit it.
Hadith - Bukhari 1:148
The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so.
So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Ahzab 33:59

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils)* all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

*the arabic word here is Jalabeeb (plural of Jalbaab), which is the loose outer garment that covers all a woman's body. It says here to use the Jalabeeb to cover all, and scholars say this means to use it to cover her head (agree upon by all scholars) and her face (agreed by many scholars, not all) and one or both eyes, in order for it to be known that she is a free woman and so not to be exposed to any harm.

Hadith - Bukhari 6:282

'Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): 'They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,' was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces."

Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin

When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.

The lower half of the hijab is a garment that does not show the woman's figure. normal obvious garments do not meet this requirement.

Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi

The Apostle of Allah was brought some pieces of fine Egyptian linen and he gave me one and said: Divide it into two; cut one of the pieces into a shirt and give the other to your wife for veil. Then when he turned away, he said: And order your wife to wear a garment below it and not show her figure.

Imam Ibn Katheer says

"Allah commanded the muslim women to cover this sheet on top of them to cover their bodies except one eye, when it is necessary for them to come out of their homes."

Tafseer - Alu'si, Rul-ul-Ma'ani, Vol. 22, p. 89

"Ibn Jarir Tabari and Ibn Al-Mundhir described the method of wearing the jalbaab according to Ibn Abbas (ra) and Qatadah (ra). The sheet should be wrapped around from the top, covering the forehead, then bringing one side of the sheet to cover the face below the eyes so that most of the face and the upper body is covered. This will leave both eyes uncovered (which is allowed in necessity).

The Noble Qur'an - An-Nur 24:30-31

Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allâh is All-Aware of what they do.

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islâm), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allâh to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.


Muslimahs should not socialize with non-mahram men, and should only speak out of necessity to non-mahram men. Allah swt knew that mankind would be tempted to let their guard down and their hijab down, around in-laws. Surely Allah swt is all merciful to provide us the guidance we need in every aspect of our lives.

I think this is enough for a man of wisdom to decide.

I light of above it is our duty to stop activities like Women's Participation in Mix Marathons either by dialoge or with power in muslim society. What ever way we can adopt.

Muhammad Ali (A Slave of Muhammad Peace be upon him)

Muhammad Ali, Pakistan - 26 April, 2005

Disgusting MMA!!!

Hi all, I am a Pakistani national and I have been reading all the about MMA!!! I know the value of any religion but it doesn't mean that we bring religions into our lives to express feelings. According to my knowledge these all Mullahs are "Fitnay>in Urdu". These people have no respect, love or anything for the country and its people. They just want to destroy our loving Pakistan.I want to pass my message to all youngsters of Pakistan that do not let MMA overcome in power to do whatever they want to do. Please finish MMA as possible as you can. We don't need these terrorists Mullah to destroy our Pakistan. General Parvez Musharaf sahib we all "slaam" you that you are the ONLY person in Pakistan's history to make its image better to the existing world. We all love you and pray for you to continue its developments. In my personal opinion these Mullahs must be send to the deepest ocean and drown them all we don't need them.At last HEYYYYYYY Mullahs stop doing this to our country and its people!!! Let the country grow in a great face to the world and let the people to enjoy their lives in this country. If you do not stop doing things to us we will pull you out of the Parliment

Adeel A. Khan, Pakistan - 26 April, 2005

a villager was very impressed from the development of the America.he decided to go there and find the secret of development.when he went there he saw an american which was completely nude and he was bathing in a swimming pool.the villager became very happy that he founded the secret of development he came back to his village and told the villagers that they should become nudes and then bath in water. those fools did as he asked and they waited for development of their village because they have found the secret of development.
all Pakistanis could not follow these modern fools which are soing same as that villager.if they want all Pakistanis to follow them.then all the modernists which like seminude marathons should make their wives,sisters and daughters participate in mix marathons.it would make an example for all Pakistanis and they will not oppose such activities.what our respected mullahs say ,they do.do these modern fools do,wahat they say.make a practical example for mullah and they will follow u.
YOU FOOLS YOU DONT SAY THAT WE SHOULD EDUCATE OURSELVES TO DEVELOP .YOU DONT SAY THAT WE SHOULD DEVELOP SKILLS IN SCIENCE YOU ONLY SAY THAT WE SHOULD DO OBSCENE THINGS TO BE DEVELOPED.NO WISE PAKISTANI WILL FOLLOW YOU.

Ahmed, Pakistan - 27 April, 2005

Muslims dont forget your teachings

Dear friends, This is just i sincere sugestion to Muslims, That they study their religon on the bases of which they are called muslim,and try to follow the teaching of islam if you are muslim,And dont try to play with the islamic teaching,Your Creator Allah Almighty is watching Us all very closely.My question is "why do you try to follow others" to those people who try to follow the worthless teachings of others when they already have the teachings which leads to the heaven.If really you are concerned about your live in hereafter please consider the teaching of islam.

Ahmed Mahmood, Pakistan - 27 April, 2005

Sjda to One Allah reliefs you from thousands of Sajdaas

Assalam o Alikum,
I just wanted to add few things to this "Enlightened" discussion. The things like show off and focefully endorsing your "Goodiness" on others is done by those who have no real matter in them. These are the things done by the societies which do not have their heritage, thinking that this will improve their image in the world. I dont think that the Umma like ours reqires any certificate of goodness from any forum of the world. We have to analyze that our basic purpose of creation is to obey Allah and worry for Almighty's happiness from us. If we have followed Allah's Commandments, made Allah happy from ourselves and done something to make our good impression on Allah, then we would never ever require any sort of funny things to please the so called "World Community". BUT on the other hand if we are not trying to make our Allah "Razzi (satisfied)" from us we will certainly be required to make everyone happy from us, but will never succeed in doing that. I think wise momins do not require any further explanasions, neither they are suppose to give any explanasions for good acts. Islam is not a cheap commodity requiring any certificate of tollerence from West or their Advocates. Its for good of mankind anyone who accepts it will be rewarded in both worlds, and one who dont will face the irony. May Allah bless us and show us the right path.

Rashid, Pakistan - 28 April, 2005

marathon in pakistan

being a muslim we should know about islamic rules and respect of women. there is no doubt that woman have her own value in a society even the islamic society or non islamic. Every religion and societey have their own tredations. tredation is word for man made rule and regulations and these can be change by newer one's. But which rules admitted by Allah could never be change. A person who know about Islamic SHERIAT and know the necessary to obey it they have no doubt that the SHERIAT forbade women to come without Parda in front of men. And it is generally proved by Quran and Hadith, So if SHERIAT forbade to do something it mean its an order for all muslims. any muslim should't go against SHARIAT and Islam and must always prey to God for the rightway.

nadeem, Pakistan - 28 April, 2005

Run, run run, run on with this idea and run right out of pakistan!

Every country has its norms and values which must be respected, sure women can run, under certain stipulations, but if they just want to ape the west , then it is a foolish idea.

women in Pakistan should realise they are not TRAPPED, what do the men have in FREEDOM?


aqdas, Pakistan - 28 April, 2005

If mullah are so much concerned about women involvement in marathons they must first destroy Hira Mandi in Lahore which is the largest prostitution house there. I never heard anything from the mullahs mouth against this mandi. Then why against womens dress code in marathons.

Dabeer Hussain, Pakistan - 30 April, 2005

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