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26 January, 2007

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President General Musharraf who is currently visiting the Middle East has called upon the Muslim countries and their masses to 'recognise' Israel for resolution of Palestine issue. This is not the fist statement made by the military General. By time and again, he has ' urged' the Pakistani nation to ' think' about recognition of Israel as Pakistan can get numerous benefits by doing that.

Musharraf's recent statement has triggered strong criticism on the part of religious and political parties. The PPP, which often avoids condemning any policy or act, which pertains to USA, has once again refused to comment on Musharraf's statement saying it would consult other opposition parties on the issue.

However, the six-party religious alliance MMA, and Nawaz Sharif-led PML(N) have openly criticised the idea saying that Musharraf is taking another U-turn on the country's traditional stand on Palestine after Kashmir.

They say Musharraf instead of brokering a peace deal between Israel and Palestine, must try for peace within Pakistan.

Here are some questions
1) Do you agree with the contention that Musharraf is selling some US proposals vis-à-vis Palestine?
2) What could be the motive behind Musharraf's call for recognition of Israel?
3) What benefits could Pakistan achieve by recognising the Zionist State?
4) Should Musharraf try for peace in Middle East first or peace in Waziristan, and Balochistan?

Reader Comments:

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THINK DEEP FOR MUSLIM NATION
WE BEING THE TRUE THINKERS OF THIS MUSLIM NATION MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE SAYINGS OF MUSHARRAF SORRY PRESIDENT MUSHARRAF.WE MUST RECOGNIZE THE ZIONIST STATE TO EASE THE ZIONIST HARMS TO PELISTINIANS DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY.AFTER RECOGNITION THIS WILL HELP PAKISTAN TO HAVE MORE SUPPORT FROM WEST;UNDER JEWS,THROUGH MUSHARRAF.MUSHARRAF CAN MAKE ARMY STRONGER,DEVELOPE MORE TECHNOLOGIES TO FACE THE POSSIBLE THREATS OF FUTURE,TO PAKISTAN,BY WEST OR MAY BE EAST.MUSHARRAF IS DOING ALL THIS FOR PAKISTAN.IF NOT THEN WHAT CAN U DO EXCEPT WRITING OR READING THESE TYPE OF PUBLIC PAGES.WE MUST TRUST OUR LEADER.IF NOT THEN ADAPT THE LEADERSHIP QUALITIES FROM OUR STANDARD.AND THE STANDARD OF MUSLIM NATION LIES IN HOLY QURAN AND THE SAYINGS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD PBUH.IF U CHANGE UR STANDARD THEN MAY BE U R DOING THE BEST FOR MUSLIM NATION BUT PEOPLE WILL STILL THINK OF U WRONG.AND U WILL BE CONTRADICTED JUST LIKE MUSHARRAF IS NOW BEING AIMED.AT LAST I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER A VERY INNOCENT QUESTION THAT WHAT SHOULD OF MUSHARRAF THINK FIRST PELISTINE,WAZIRISTAN,KASHMIR,ETC.I THINK FIRST OF ALL ONLY MUSHARRAF SHOULD NOT THINK OF THESE ISSUES WE SHOULD ALSO DO THAT FAVOUR WITH REFERENCE TO HOLY QURAN AND SAYINGS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD PBUH.MUSHARRAF HAS TRIED TO SOLVE PROBLEM OF ALL THESE ISSUES BY CONSIDERING THEM AS A GENERAL ANTIMUSLIM CONSPIRACIES ALL OVER THE WORLD BY GIVING SUGGESTION OF RECOGNIZING ZIONIST STATE.NOW THE QUESTION IS WHO LIVES LONGER PESIDENT MUSHARRAF OR THE ZIONIST STATE.IF NOTHING IS GOOD STILL DONE BY MUSHARRAF THEN THINK URSELF THINK DEEP FOR THE MUSLIM NATION.BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER WHATEVER LEADER U GET IN UR PRESENCE ALWAY FOLLOW UR STANDARD,THE STANDARD OF MUSLIMS AND THE STANDARD IS ROPE OF GOD COMPRISED OF HOLY QURAN AND THE SAYINGS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD PBUH.MY THESE STATEMENTS REFLECT NOT MY FAVOUR TO MUSHARRAF BUT TO THE DEMAND OF OUR STANDANRD.AND THE SECURITY OF THOSE WHO FOLLOW THIS STANDARD TRULY,I MEAN THE MUSLIM NATION.
SALMAN MALIK, Pakistan


syed taqi, Pakistan - 14 February, 2007

To Mr Bill and Dr Qazi

This is only media debate and the berating accusation of one letter is seeming to take turn into swearing and money wise desparagement.

You are debating from America and not from a banana republic or underdeveloped country of Africa.

There is absolutely no threatening language used by Mr Shab Qureshi.He is just having his views to be returned with un-media language and money measure talks.

We muslims make much less money than we are worth in north America. Just few years ago i started making as much a month as a fedral minister here and published world class papers in the annual international conferences of leading gas knowledge houses like LRGCC Oklahoma, two world class papers in the same annual international conference of NACE 2004, America's gas processrs annual international conference 2004, Kyoto and some of them infilterated to US military publications. I could really chew any American or Canadian gas engineer in deep rooted knowledge. But, what i went through after jumping to world class knowledge with a very Islamic name of Muhammad or Mahmood can be judged by just me.

We tolerate thE latitudes of excesses and you guys cannot tolerate a simple discussion which has a surface touch any ways compared to true facts.

I know, and i know it sadly that north Americans love talking about money so much that they can be divorced and replaced by some one who makes 50 cents an hour more.And there goes your love down the drain as you failed to make that extra fifty cents an hour more than the better money maker.

It is sad to see that one dollar curse came into this decent media forum.In those poor countries one dollar can give you more services than 20 dollars.

The critics here are only expressing their sufferings and Mr Shab is not attacking verbally or other wise. He is not even desparaging or insulting any body.

Immigrants in many cases are worth many times they get paid and they are still happy, because money is not the ultimate God.

I am not crying if my income dropped from 18000 dollars a month as world class gas engineer to one fifth or one sixth due to some religious bigots.

If you call yourself democracy, then learn to play the tolerant game of democracy. Other wise tell us in blank words that we accept only one writ and no one will write any thing as the weorld's leading nation has gone haywire.

Look at all the troubles in the world due to bellicose belligerancy.

THE WORLD CAN BE MADE MUCH HAPPIER PLACE THROUGH TOLERANCE AMONGST ALL INCLUDING THE JEWS.SOME ONE FROM ISRAEL ALREADY HAS A LETTER HERe SDLIGHTING THIS WHOLE DEBATE AND SOME BODY'S DEDICATION CALLING IT JUST A MERE GESTURE.I FEEL SORRY FOR MUSHARRAF FOR SWEATING FOR SOMETHING WHICH IS ONLY A MERE GESTURE.
DEMOCRACY ALLOWS FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND DOES NOT LOOK AT A PERSON'S DOLLAR SWINGS.

I WAS MAKING ALMOST HUNDRED DOLLARS AN HOUR ON MY WORLD CLASS GAS ENGINEERING WORK AND I NEVER COMPLAINED THAT SOME PEOPLE IN AMERICA WERE MAKING 500 DOLLARS PER HOUR FOR SIMILAR WORK.EVEN THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES THAT MONEY IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF ALL EVILS AND THERE IS NO NEED TO JUDGE THE PEOPLE BY THE MONEY THEY EARN.

I CAN POINT OUT THAT THERE IS TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MISINFORMATION IN THE WORK THAT IS BEING PAID THE BEST, ESPECIALLY IN GAS ENGINEERING. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE BOOK THAT IS CALLED BIBLE FOR GAS PURIFICATION ENGINEERING HAS TERRIBLE MISINFORMATION TO BLOW UP A GAS PLANT OR PIPE LINE FLOW REGIME IF YOU BELIEVE THAT MISINFORMATION.

DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PIPE LINE FAILURES IN NORTH AMERICA EVERY YEAR DUE TO MIS- INFORMATION AND SAME IS TRUE ABOUT GAS PLANTS.

MUSLIMS ARE BEING BASHED AND THEY HAVE REASON TO COMPLAIN AT THE VERY MINIMUM.

YOU CANNOT FORCE A CORNERED MAN NOT TO EVEN COMPLAIN.

I AM LEAVING NORTH AMERICA IN FEW MONTHS AFTER LIVING HERE FORTY YEARS. I FOUND THE TRUE COLOURS ONLY WHEN I STARTED VENTURING INTO THE WORLD CLASS GAS ENGINEERING WITH A VERY ISLAMIC NAME.

AND I CAN TELL EVERY BODY THAT I WILL BOOT MILLION DOLLARS AN HOUR RATHER THAN CHANGING MY VERY ISLAMIC NAME FOR MORE BREAD AND BUTTER.DEEP IN MY HEART I AM A MUSLIM AND I AM PROUD OF MY VERY ISLAMIC NAME.

WE WILL GO ON TOP AGAIN-INSHALLAH AS WE WERE FOR CENTURIES.

Anwar Mahmood, Canada - 15 February, 2007

Saucy and spicy forums

One main reason why these forum debates in Pak Tribune are becoming more saucy and spicy with participation of people from all types of nationalities is that the west has made Pakistan a one man show.

This reminds me about Edward Gibbon's grandest history work ever i.e "Decline and fall of the Roman Empire".

Gibbon has described in praise about one famous Islamic military general in his "Decline and fall of the roman Empire" as such:

"HIMSELF AN ARMY"

The great Islamic general of the past earned this title from Gibbon through his field marshal performance.

The west is trying to force us to believe about Musharraf the analogue comparison such as:

"HIMSELF THE NATION"

Now, the Pakistani nation is trying to extricate itself from its slighted status of 160 million people belittled before one man through the support of his some generals and overly empowered by America.

The nation is hearing the scary lashing hits about Musharraf's writs and empowerments of all sorts including women empowerment or any other empowerment bestowed upon by the powered and the empowered of the brass including the chief.

The 160 millions humble in confusion can express their views about where they stand in this game of worthynerss of their voices in decision making voices on international issues like this.

NO WONDER THESE FORUMS ARE BECOMING SAUCY AND SPICY.

Anwar Mahmood, Canada - 15 February, 2007

Shab Quereshi is a retard

This is the problem. This guy Shab goes on a crazy anti-US and Anti-Israel tirade and then you scroll down and see where he lives- UNITED STATES. If the US is so bad why are you there?? GET OUT. The reason why you are there is because you are able to because it is a free country. Then you berate it. Stop wasting my government money and get out and go make 1 dollar an hour if your lucky somewhere else.

Bill, United Kingdom - 15 February, 2007

Pakistanis settled in the West and yet they are against Israel

It is ironic to see so many Pakistanis from USA and other Western countries are talking hell against President Musharraf's stance on Israel. If that is so, these Pakistanis should first tell their adopted countries to "de-recognize" Israel. Why it is that these Pakistanis left Pakistan for greener pastures. They want to live in the West, take all the economic advantage as a person, and yet deny Pakistan the same thing you yourselves have done with your feet, hands and eyes.

All these Pakistanis should help bring in more business to Pakistan. Instead they are busy giving Pakistan lectures on something that they themselves have accepted by living in the West.



Dr. Qazi, United Kingdom - 15 February, 2007

Pakistani recognition of Israel

Does it matter to Israel? Every country wants to be friend of Israel and Jews. On the other hand everybody dislikes muhammedans and Pakis ( Spainish,French,British, Belgium, Indians, Chinese, Russians, Burmeese, Thais etc...). The only common thread between India,US,China,Russia,India, UK and other large countries are bind by war against Islamic terrorism.
Jews are the most valuable human capital today, and everybody wants their help. Most of the senior research associates in major tech companies (IBM,HP,Intel,Microsoft,GM,GE) are jews in USA (in their 50s) and junior research fellow are Indians, Chinees and Japanees (in their 20's and early 30's) in Bangalore,Sanghai,Singapore.

Unknown, Hungary - 16 February, 2007

Recognizing Israel

Well-one of the results of WWII is the creation of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iraq , UAE as well as the freedom of many countries in Asia and Africa.
So from a very realistic point of view, there is no poit to reject Israel and keep an un necessary conflict. Although, the Plastinian Arabs did suffer alot, which is very sad. Similarly, we must urge and expect Israel too not to over look the basic human rights and try to mend the damages. It will be ideal if the Jews and Muslims may creat blood relations on both sides instead of harming each other. After all Jews, Christains and Muslims do belong to the basic Samic background.
MAY PEACE PREVAIL ON EARTH. AMEN

Ejaz Baig Kanjudi, Pakistan - 20 February, 2007

Recognizing Israel

Well-one of the results of WWII is the creation of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iraq , UAE as well as the freedom of many countries in Asia and Africa.
So from a very realistic point of view, there is no poit to reject Israel and keep an un necessary conflict. Although, the Plastinian Arabs did suffer alot, which is very sad. Similarly, we must urge and expect Israel too not to over look the basic human rights and try to mend the damages. It will be ideal if the Jews and Muslims may creat blood relations on both sides instead of harming each other. After all Jews, Christains and Muslims do belong to the basic Samic background. 2ndly, it cab be very unwise, to reject Isreal and be in friendship with America and western world-this is just pointless then!
MAY PEACE PREVAIL ON EARTH. AMEN

Ejaz Baig Kanjudi, Pakistan - 20 February, 2007

Israel

Most muslims should recognise Israel.By doing so Israel would come under international comunities pressure and would have no excuse to continue occuping te land it grabed in 1967 and there after.Otherwise there would no Palistinian left in the area.America would not allow the destruction of Israel as long US is the sole superpower in the world.

T S Alavi, United Arab Emirates - 20 February, 2007

Why not recognize Israel

There are plenty of potential benefits. Right now Israel doesn't care what Pakistan thinks, because we don't recognize them. If we did, we could put more diplomatic pressure. Also, Israel has many advanced military and other technology that would be useful to a developing nation like Pakistan (as Israel currently cooperate with Turkey, for example).
I don't know how so many people who CLAIM to care about the Palestinian situation don't see this but ISRAEL WILL NOT IMPROVE THE SITUATION IN THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES UNLESS ISLAMIC COUNTRIES RECOGNIZE THEIR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO EXIST.
The fundamental questions are: 1) do you want to see the lives of those people actually improve or do you just want them to be a political tool to condemn Israel? 2) Do you want to see Pakistan become an advanced, rich, modern country that is a part of the 21st century or do you want it to be led by a small and vocal fundamentalist minority back into the middle ages?
It appears some people just want to focus on conflict, in Kashmir with India, in Palestine with Israel, and not on actually improving the situation. It's easy to talk big from the comfort of a good job in the UK or USA, but those living in Pakistan have to deal with everyday life in a developing nation.
As far as all the anti-Musharaff comments here: look how well the Pakistani economy is doing in the last few years now that we're not constantly on the brink of war over Kashmir. Musharaff sided with the US and some call him a sellout and coward but the result is economic improvement, military aid, removal of crippling sanctions, and billions of US dollars flowing into the country again. How can this be a bad thing.
What's is more important: abstract radicalism or a pragmatic style that actually improves the lives of 150 million Pakistanis?
Yes there are other important issues that need to be addressed: corruption, law and order, stability in various parts of the country, but there is no need to CHOOSE between them and recognizing Israel, Musharaff can do both.

Ali, Pakistan - 21 February, 2007

A few comments

Many people have said that Israel depends on billions of dollars in aid from the USA: "A tiny country that thrives on billions of dollars from its benefactor,the United States"

Do NOT delude yourselves. Egypt gets as much money in aid from the US every year as Israel does, that is a fact. Israel is doing well because they work hard and they are on good terms with not only western countries but also with muslim countries in the region (Egypt, Jordan, Turkey), which is good for BOTH those countries and for Israel (economy).

And then there is the comment from "salah-uddin" about those who favor recognizing Israel need to study Islam more because Israel shouldn't be recognized for religious reasons. Come on, one of the main problems in modern Pakistan is too much study of religion while general education levels continue to decline and the population becomes more ignorant. Islam is a religion, it's not a tool to answer practical real life questions, no religion (jews, christians, hindus) should be used for that purpose. All people of every country and every religion should instead use COMMON SENSE.

As far as Israel wanting to expand and take over neighboring countries like Egypt and Jordan, that is a lie and a conspiracy theory. Israeli maps DO NOT show the whole area as being part of Israel. Israel recognizes those countries and has diplomatic relations with them. The whole idea is totally absurd and easily disproved by anyone who is willing to take 15 minutes and search the web for MAINSTREAM information on the subject.

Israel wanting to destroy AL-Aqsa is another conspiracy theory that makes no sense. They have been in control of the area for many many years now, why is it still there? Is it at all damaged? No.
As far as the recent repair work is concerned, it is NOT to build some jewish temple or christian church, it is just to FIX A BRIDGE that was damaged. Israel HAS AGREED to allow Turkey to watch over the work they are doing.
For information on such issues one should go to trusted sources like The Economist (historically very sympathetic to the Palestinian people's plight), rather than irrational conspiracy theorists like Al Jazeera.
Pakistan has a long history of freedom of the press, do not be duped by such ridiculous nonsense when you live in the free world and not in Syria or North Korea.


Jeff, United Kingdom - 21 February, 2007

Treatment of Palestinians

Alamsher Wazir writes: "It really is a sad situation. Millions of Palestinians have been made homeless, deprived of their dignity and under occupation for last 60 years,have every right to decide their future."

Mr. Wazir is correct, but don't stop the analysis there, because there is more to it.

YES Israel has mistreated millions of Palestinians, and that is a sad situation that people should be trying to change.

BUT, why does no one criticize Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia?

Millions of jews moved to Israel in the last 50 years, and they have houses, jobs, and good lives in Israel.

Millions of Palestinians are living in neighboring countries for over 50 years, yet they are STILL living in refugee camps! They are taken care of by international organizations. Why don't they have proper jobs? Why don't they have proper housing?

Why doesn't anyone pressure Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Syria to treat these Palestinians better? Shouldn't they also care about the well being of these people?

That is a sad situation as well, just like the treatment by Israel is a sad situation. That is why the Palestinians are worse off than almost any group on the planet: NO ONE really seems to care for them, the west, Israel, not even neighboring muslim countries!

Even their own rulers are corrupt, more interested in holding power and building large mansions with the international aid they get, than improving the lives of the common Palestinian people.
The New York Times had an article a few years ago in which a reporter went to the houses of the Hamas leaders. The houses were all as large as palaces, big even by US standards.
Meanwhile, you can search the internet for photos of how the majority of Palestinians live, with barely any water or electricity and without jobs.

People around the world should take more of an interest in actually improving the lives of the Palestinians, and less of an interest in just using them as a cheap and convenient way to condemn Israel.

Jeff, United Kingdom - 21 February, 2007

You

You are debating about recognising Israel when they are already existing and doing much better than majority of the countries debating the recognition.

Jerry, Solomon Islands - 21 February, 2007

Our stand should be collective

AoA
i wont go into this if we should accept israel now /later or even never coz i dont think isreal needs that or would get any advantage at all out of pakistan's recognition. Let me say at the sme time that i dont see any great opportunities being missed while not acknowledging israel. we should realize that no body is going to make us rich, developed,... etc. we will have to do this on our own and israel is just like many other developed countries with which we have relations. so how could our decision be important ?? in my opinion only when its a collective decision of the whole arabs along with other islamic countries. Isreal would be happy if bigger muslims countries like follow egypt and recognize her alone one by one, to lower the significance of that collective recognition, which might make her to agree to some points. but single handedly no islamic country let alone Pakistan can cause that. furthermore, i think Musharraf is attempting the same, ie some how convince this collective recognition for some attractive benefits.

shahzad, Georgia - 21 February, 2007

Fatah, Turkey, Jordan, and Egypt have recognized Israel: Who is Pakistan siding with?

Some religious-wanna-be people on this board simply talk big about Muslim Ummah and Pakistan. These simpletons fail to notice that we will not be the first to recognize Israel. We all know that the deed of accepting Israel has been done by Fatah movement of Palestinians, and large Muslims countries like Egypt, Turkey, and Jordan. Has this act by so many Muslims countries really hurt Muslim Ammah? If so why don't we kick out these wayward countries out of OIC (organization of Islamic countries)? On the other hand if Turkey is still Muslim and still a major player in Islamic Ummah, then what stops Pakistan to follow suite?

The emotional and unreasonable reaction to Musharraf clearly shows that we have some Hammas or Hizbullah supporters masquerading as Pakistanis.


Dr. Qazi, United Kingdom - 23 February, 2007

Recognising he replica of Pontius Pilate regime.

The Europeans(the Romans) came to this part of Asia (Palestine) 2000 years ago. With them came the ungodly Roman culture. Roman culture is supremacy of the Romans and slavery, death and destruction for the non Romans. At the height of persecution of local Asian people by the ungodly Romans,the local Asian people saw the Romans take away their very popular holy man Jesus to be crucified by them(the Romans).
When the local Asian people, eventually became powerful enough, they threw out the European occupiers of their land.
About 1000 years ago the local Asian people once again endured the onslaught and occupation of their land by the new Romans. The new Romans again brought with them their Roman culture of death and destruction for the local Asian people. We are told that those Romans were in the following of the Asian holy man Jesus. How could any one displaying the ungodly and violent Roman ethics, be in the following of a man who preached, professed and practised the words of the Lord and led and showed people to lead virtuous and hence peaceful life? Those Europeans did not display any character of being in the following of Jesus as such were not Christians.
When after more than a century of enduring Roman culture, the local Asian people became strong, they threw out the Europeans once again.
Today we see that the British government helped create the replica of previuos Roman regimes with very similar kind of death and destruction for the local Asian people a daily happening.
There is utterly no doubt that Jesus and his fellow Asian people endured exactly similar kind of treatment as we see happening to the local Asian people and owner of their land, today.
This regime is in fact a replica of previous Roman regimes and very much like the prvious Roman regimes is a passing misery for the local Asian people. In other words this Roman outpost in Asia is a very temporary tragedy and just like the previous Roman regime bound to disappear.
We are told it is Israhyeel.
What a joke? The children of Israhyeel were Asian people and Godly people.
These people and many many influential Europeans can be seen to be crucifying Lord's Commandment as given to Moses.
So how can those who crucify the Commandments, who crucify the ethics of the holy Torah and the holy Bible be Jews or Christians?
People are known by their deeds. People cannot be Jews, Christians or Muslims if they do not prove to be so through their deeds.
The Commandment is "Thou shalt not commit murder". We see murder committed by the so called Christians and Jews every day.
The Cmmandment is "Thou shalt not steal". We can see that the Europeans have stolen Asian peoples' land that is Palestine. So how can these people crucifying the Commandments, be Jews.
I wonder, I do wonder, if by any chance Moses happened to pass that way. I mean through that Roman outpost in Asia. He will have an utterly mammoth task. He will need the help of Polpot to make mountain of the skulls of those Romans claiming to be Jews.
So if anyone is happy to recognise this "Roman outpost in Asia", certainly a passing phase, like before, please do, by all means, show your lack of "Wisdom and foresight".

H.Wasty, United Arab Emirates - 24 February, 2007

foolish

i think what our president is doing is foolsih because if we cant have peace at our own home are we to create peace outside the country. All this talk is senseless because we have major issues in our country and no one is solving the. most of our political figures are eating away our countrys money without any what so ever help to the poor. when the poor dont have money they will rob the rich in the end we will have a crisis.

anonymus, Pakistan - 25 February, 2007

Benefit of Joining Israel is many But Loss is Greatest

Notion of Recognition of Bani Israel by Surah Fatah Holy Prophet direct
Descendent Claimant Hashemite Jordan king or Moses of hurling stones edict
Egypt have become Zionists of Gold Bullion stock index Dancers is absurd.

The truth is that it had resulted in Almighty God Sending Jesus
With Bible bypassing Torah. They did it again which had resulted in sending
Quran With memorized version surah (to make theft claim proof).

The claim that various political parties seeking top job in Pakistan Turkey
Egypt Philistine have become parties of Zionist is theft version.They are the
Individual ones who with theft version have fake recognition papers .
.

These Political parties new monoethist Gods are the ones
Who have declared Quran as satanic verses .They have adopted
In lieu legislated version verses .Quran simply called “God has no
Partners or Son Jesus or adopted female deities.

The political parties individual leaders Olmert Sheiks or Fatah yasser
Arafat King president or PM of Turkeycould not have recognized
Bani Israel.Probably they drink whisky promote Sufism within above
history and can be Constructed as “principle of monoetheism” Guru.

I.e. monotheist Allah Vishnu Bhagwan Buddha or Lord Jesus with
Sodomist Gay Lesbian Priests Mullah Rabbis Ayatollah with gay rights
gay marriage gay divorce gay alimony foetus baby girl abortion gurus.

It is absurd that 400 million Muslims of Turkey Egypt Jordan
Philistine Pakistan have become Zionist and have aligned themselves
With Israel. Benefit of Joining above kind is many but going to
Hell is worst.


bulue_zacaria, Georgia - 25 February, 2007

Note the trend in those posting opinions here

I noted that most if not nearly all of the anti-Musharraf and anti-Israel posts made here are made by NON-Pakistanis and Pakistanis resident outside Pakistan - in contrast - most of the posts made by those living in Pakistan are Pro-Musharraf and Pro-Israel.

I would encourage those who are outside Pakistan to get intouch with the TRUE feelings of the people in Pakistan - and realize that the overwhelming majority support Musharraf and his policies - INCLUDING recognizing Israel!

Farhad, Pakistan - 25 February, 2007

Addressing Dr Qazi again

The issue of recognizing Israel is not siding with any group or countries amongst the Islamic world. As i mentioned in my last letter, it is pure democratic choice that we are sticking to. The nation just does not want to indulge into an other mode of dividing Islamic world for some one who really does'nt care much about which decision we go to. Nor it relly matters much to them when they can make even America dance on the masterly tunes and some neuvo rich or neuvo privileged in their worshiped new world of America to disparage, belittle or even cast aside the country where they were born and had grown up.

As i mentioned in last letter, the minority vote of Turkey, Egypt, Jordan and Fatah represents only 10 percent of 1.5 billion people of Islam.You have 90 percent in large countries like Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia,Sudan, Nigeria,Algeria, Morroco,Syria and dozens of other countries, who are on waiting game and expecting for conditional changed behaviour of the party of recognition issue.

Even in Pakistan, the vast majority pulls their president out of his dance of recognition each time he gets into mood of doing this not so popular dance for the Islamic world.Mr Qazi, you have to bow to the majority if you really love democracy.

There is nothin wrong in recognizing any thing if they respect you as equal and do not engage into inner islamic bleeding, divisiveness, neglect and deigning as third class people.The Islamic world today is badly burning and is being destroyed by the very militristic policicies of America and masterly prodding by Israel of sole super power.

Dr Qazi must swing out of his neuvo privileges and the dance about the masters, who have absolutely no regard of the destroyed and profusely bleeding nations of Islam. Until those things are corrected,the Islamic people's majority has every right to stay in majority and postpone every thing till a correction is made by the other side.If the press of Russia,China, even India and many other countries are talking of Islamic world being crucified today, then those neuvo privileged people like Mr Qazi, many others and even some Pakistani military generals and their America singing president will be made to sit in pseudo isolation on this very touchy issue.Things must only reciprocate with altered behavoiur of the overly agressors on Islamic world.

Not just that, we are being prodded with bribes and privileges to the powerful amongst muslims to indulge into inner bleeding disguised as Shia-Suni in-fighting, ethnic and racial divides, lines of fire and you name whatever. So indiscriminate has been the attack on Islam that other major powers like Russia and China have lost their sleep to amass massive weapons of mass destruction out of fear.

90 percent Islamic majority is right to watch who amongs them would break ranks amongst them and cross over the line against majority.

Mr Qazi, it is not Pakistan's taking sides for chauvonist reasons.The Islamic world is fighting for its survival and is even fearing about the sacred place like Al-aqsa coming tumbling down.

Most islamic world understands that they are more or less like the lambs assembled by the butcher for slaughter.They know that even kissing the same hand of the butcher which is alredy running the same knife on one won't spare them all in the end. One by one they will all have to go unless they turn into something other than lambs or unless the world's overly aggressive do have change of the heart for better.

The excessive hate against the cornered and targetted muslims even go to the shamelss and merciless talks on media of dropping super H-bomb on non nuclear Islamic state as if killing millions of powerless muslims would be fun acts like playing toys.

Mr Qazi may be singing about those who have provided him neuvo luxuries in his new opportunistic land that the humble Islamic nation could not afford to lavish upon.But, those 90 percent dignified muslims do love the very notion of respect for the very survival, existence and dignity of their Islamic world.I have known for forty years about how they value very Islamic names like Muhammad or Mahmood that they will swallow poison rather than even taking of these very dear names of Islam.

By the grace of Allah, the world is fast moving into multi-polar and multi-powered status. The mighty ones will have no time to create bloody mischiefs against Islamic world other than saving their own skin in the mighty struggle of the power prowess of theirs and Shanghai accord.

In the last such locked in survival of the fittest fights within the power prowess in Afghanistan war, Pakistan availed the opportunity to assemble few dozen nukes for its own survival sake.

NEXT TIME WHEN SUCH OPPORTUNITY COMES SOON, SOME ISLAMIC STATE OR STATES, TOGETHER, MAY EVEN ACHIEVE A SUPER POWER STATUS TO BRING THE ISLAMIC WORLD BACK TO GRANDNESS THAT WE LOST IN FAILED OTTOMAN SEIGE OF VIENNA IN 1684.

Anwar Mahmood, Canada - 25 February, 2007

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