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26 January, 2007

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President General Musharraf who is currently visiting the Middle East has called upon the Muslim countries and their masses to 'recognise' Israel for resolution of Palestine issue. This is not the fist statement made by the military General. By time and again, he has ' urged' the Pakistani nation to ' think' about recognition of Israel as Pakistan can get numerous benefits by doing that.

Musharraf's recent statement has triggered strong criticism on the part of religious and political parties. The PPP, which often avoids condemning any policy or act, which pertains to USA, has once again refused to comment on Musharraf's statement saying it would consult other opposition parties on the issue.

However, the six-party religious alliance MMA, and Nawaz Sharif-led PML(N) have openly criticised the idea saying that Musharraf is taking another U-turn on the country's traditional stand on Palestine after Kashmir.

They say Musharraf instead of brokering a peace deal between Israel and Palestine, must try for peace within Pakistan.

Here are some questions
1) Do you agree with the contention that Musharraf is selling some US proposals vis-à-vis Palestine?
2) What could be the motive behind Musharraf's call for recognition of Israel?
3) What benefits could Pakistan achieve by recognising the Zionist State?
4) Should Musharraf try for peace in Middle East first or peace in Waziristan, and Balochistan?

Reader Comments:

Recognizing Israel

Commando General cum President
has embarked on a mission of self-interest.If survival of Pakistan is tied to recognition of Israel, it is a height ofself capitulation.A tiny country that thrives on billions of dollars from its benefactor,the United States, is no more than regional bully.What financial gains Pakistan is expecting from Israel ?It really is a sad situation. Millions of Palestinians have been made homeless, deprived of their dignity and under occupation for last 60 years,have every right to decide their future.
They don't need Musharraf's double faced diplomacy.

Alamsher Wazir, United Kingdom - 08 February, 2007

Whats the Harm?

Its difficult to understand why people think that by not reconginzing Isreal it would not exist. Well whether we reconginze it or not it exists, the mere fact that it exists is that we all have posted our comments regarding it, which shows that "WE KNOW THAT ITS THERE", we talk about Isreal, blame Isreal about the oppression of Palestanians which also shows that its there, then why dont we accept this reality that it is there and whether we close our eyes and keep on denying its existance by not reconginzing it as a state it is there. So lets stop this Ostrich or pigeon strategy and face the reality.

If we want to discuss the matter of Palestine with Isreal then how do you suppose it is possible? How can Pakistan negotiate or discuss matters pertaining to palestine which according to it does not exist. isnt it funny that we are commenting about a state that does not exist (as far as pakistanis are concerned).

Jehanzeb, Pakistan - 08 February, 2007

israel recognisation over muslims dead bodyies

i dont understand what happend to the muslims. they have lost their roots. the purpose of a muslim life is to follow islam even if he die for this thats not a problem but Allah sholud be happy with him. those people who r agreed with musharraf to recognised israel, they need to study about islam in details because near the judgment day the anticris for christian and DAJJAL for muslims will come from there and the fight between jews and muslims will be ended by the jesus peace be upon him(ESSA ALEH SALAM)who will come in damascus (syria)and will offer pray with IMAM MEHDI(the finest leader of the muslims and every one wil foloow him). so the peoples who thinks that by accepting isrel we can get benefits, i want to tell them that muslims dont need benefits, if we get benefits by leaving our islamic roots then muslim should spit on this sort of benefits. the jews called muslims the wild animals with two legs and they think after get full control on isreal and palestine they can (astagfirulla)destry the mosque AL-Aqsa and can make their own temple from which their king and for muslims (DAJJAL)and for (CHRISTIANANTI-CRIST)will come and according ot the jews when that gr8 king appear they can rule all over the world, including (astagfirullah) MAKKAH and MADINA. so those people who r trying to impose on pkistani people to accpet israel, in reality they r appreciating israel to ruin the muslims third holy MOSQUE AL-AQSA from where the prophet muhammd [eace be upon hime been to (MAIRAJ, journry to the sky) and they r also helping israel to give a call for dajjal who will be true evil . so just for some virtuall benefits which is only for this world we should not accept israel and those who will do he must commit himself a gr8 sin.

salah-uddin, United Arab Emirates - 08 February, 2007

Recognising Israel

Sir,
I beg Pacistan NOT to recognise Israel. Do not sell your soul for a few sheckels.Israel should never have been created. It should be dismantled and its inhabitants scattered to the four corners of the planet.

Eddie Greenwood, United Arab Emirates - 09 February, 2007

Recognising Israel

A clown is trying to run the circus.Musharraf of Pakistan is on the trail of self promotion.Do you really believe that World takes him seriously ? To resolve Palestine-Israel issue, you need men of stature & integrity. Men like Nelson Mandella, Ex President Jimmy Carter provided Israel is sincere to come forward without any pre-conditions.

IKN, United Kingdom - 09 February, 2007

Musharaf

I have read quite a few comments against Musharaf of Pakistan and comments from Mr. Jamal from Morocco, really disgust me. Luckily Moroccans neighboring with European countries has good influence on their economy and Pakistan on the other hand is neighboring enemies. Pakistan was born in 1947 without the soul (Kashmir). Until now our minds are set to free our soul. We developed negative trend, which really pushed us back instead of going forward. Education level dropped in the nation and now we are struggling to compete with others. Musharaf stand up when negativity resulted in 911 and we as a nation got blamed for. We did support USA because we have no other choice. USA supported us later on with money and military support. Money poured into the economy and we paid our debts of decades to IMF. Musharaf is all positive smart politician and we are moving forward. People all over the world are now pouring money because all the energy with the help of USA is now transferred into the economy, which seamlessly moving in the direction of growth. No matter how divided we are now, the political parties and Moulanas who are not happy due to Madarsa issues, Hasba bills and women rights, soon they will realized that some bad influence use Islam as a tool to kill innocent people, if these Moulanas want, they can help Musharaf to reform madrasas and image of Islam. The word is out and people of Pakistan will soon realize that Masharaf is making it all happen in the country. India has realized after long time that keeping our soul is not going to benefit them anymore. Pakistan is growing faster than anyone can imagine. If India is still stubborn in their approach to let our soul go, suffering will follow their good fortune. The political infrastructure, where people of Pakistan in the next elections, must vote, must not involve religion in politics, and the word like “Muslims and Islamic” must be taken out from a political process and parties, and can only use for charitable organizations. The Muslims must now awake and, taking their example from the glorious life and the marvelous teachings of the Holy Prophet, build their spiritual and religious faith on Mohammed (SALAM) and work for the development in science, knowledge and political and social advance along the lines of the most progressive races of mankind to a place of equality with Christian Europe and America. Musharaf no matter what people think, is not the ambassador to USA promoting the idea to recognize Israel, but he conveyed the secret message to the Islamic world and soon everybody will know the truth.

Aslam Sheikh, Pakistan - 09 February, 2007

what is right what is wrong

considering pakistan we often say to get aid ,help by giving help to other countries. we need take strong initiative for developing good on our oun resources instead looking for other's hand .Pakistan being Nuclear State had not yet been able to get grace as it would be.
we always take strong action but for others purpose and distribut the public openion .we need to gather it for ourself .hopefully we get leader ship that develope whole this.


Faheem, Pakistan - 09 February, 2007

Lets work for peace

Let us focus on common interest between Pakistan and Israel; we will find out that it is peace. Both pakistan and israel want peace, terrorist in Middle East want to give Pakistan negative image about Israel but they will not succeed. Its time to be educated, open minded.

Ammad, Pakistan - 10 February, 2007

Musharraf is a traitor and evil

He want to recognise Israel.Israel does not have well defined borders.So,how do you decide?Israel's zionist map covers egypt,saudi arabia,lebanon,syria ,kuwait and Iraq.You decide.You wanna give away all those countries to Israel? and let it keep doing ethenic cleansing and holocaust of not only Palestinians but other muslim countries?It is time to wake up.Musharraf already accepted to be a head of a US vassal state,now he wants to impose that on everybody in Pakistan.Please wake up and fight for not only Pakistan but the whole muslim world,before it gets colonized and its oil resources and other riches by US,Israel and its anglo-sexon cousins(US empire).

Shabbir Qureshi, United Kingdom - 11 February, 2007

In response to Daoud Mateen,USA

Mr Daoud,You did not research what you wrote.You copied the page by Kadeemah(a Zionist)on the website:FLAME.Here is the web address.Check it out.
http://www.factsandlogic.org/outstanding_accomp_pr.html
Cell Phone was invented at AT&T as Car Phone.
Windows NT and XP were invented by Dave Cutler of Digital Equipment Corp,USA.
Pentium processor was developed by Vinod Dham(indian) at Intel,USA
I can go on and on.Israeli's
will pretend they did it,but it does not pan out.It is a zionist propaganda.Watch out.

Shabbir Qureshi, United Kingdom - 11 February, 2007

recognising israel

As everybody know Israel is a state recognised by many countries of the world , so its not a matter to recognise ISRAEL. THE only matter that arises is about the relations , i mean on which ground pakistan will promote relations with Israel. SO i think its a nice move that Musharraf will make in the coming days. It can in turn bring piece in the middle east. Also our economy will be at the best. So its the need of the day.Its not the american call on which Musharraf is recognising ISRAEL. I personally agree with MUsharraf decision

shah nawaz, Pakistan - 11 February, 2007

Egotistic General

It is very ironic that Musharaf is calling for the recognition of Isreal to bring peace to Palistine. Kashmir is still in pain from what Musharaf did by blocking aid to freedom fighters in the valley. The only benefit Musharaf wants is that of muslim blood being spilled and the ummah to become slaves of the Zionist movement. Musharaf is a sell out and can not be trusted.

Afzal, United Kingdom - 11 February, 2007

Biased Shoa were United

The war of 1948 resulted in the establishment of the Israeli state on a 78 percent of historical Palestine. We found ourselves, those who have remained in their homeland (approximately 160,000) within the borders of the Jewish state. Such reality has isolated us from the rest of the Palestinian People and the Arab world and we were forced to become citizens of Israel. This has transformed us into a minority living in our historic homeland.

Since the Al-Nakba of 1948 (the Palestinian tragedy), we have been suffering from extreme structural discrimination policies, national oppression, military rule that lasted till 1966, land confiscation policy, unequal budget and resources allocation, rights discrimination and threats of transfer. The State has also abused and killed its own Arab citizens, as in the Kufr Qassem massacre, the land day in 1976 and Al-Aqsa Intifada back in 2000.

Since Al-Nakba and despite all, we maintained our identity, culture, and national affiliation; we struggled and are still struggling to obtain just, comprehensive and permanent peace in the Middle East region, through achieving fair and lasting resolution concerning the Palestinian refugees' resolutions status according to UN and for reaching peace through the declaration of an independent Palestinian State.

Defining the Israeli State as a Jewish State and exploiting democracy in the service of its Jewishness excludes us, and creates tension between us and the nature and essence of the State. Therefore, we call for a Consensual Democratic system that enables us to be fully active in the decision-making process and guarantee our individual and collective civil, historic, and national rights.

In light of this modern complex history, we are moving towards a new era of self-recognition, where it is necessary to create our future path, crystallize our collective identity and draw up our social and political agenda. The establishment of the High Follow up Committee for the Arabs in Israel was a pivotal point in the history of our community where such committee became the highest representative body for all other public and political organizations.

Based on this reality of collective internal changes, the project presented by this document is a continuation of our struggle towards crystallizing clear strategic future vision for the Arab Palestinians in Israel. The project aims at answering the question, "who are we and what do we want for our society?"

In order to obtain this goal, the future vision will be followed by tangible practical steps and a concrete action plan with specific goals. We recommend such document to be a public reference. This document includes all streams of the Arab society, as this vision is an independent Palestinian rhetoric. We hope this future vision would yield unity between different and sometimes contradicting viewpoints and beliefs on the basis of our national collective principles and interests.

The National Committee of the Local Arab Authorities in Israel is responsible for implementing this project, a project which was presented to the High Follow up Committee of the Arabs in Israel.

This project was implemented in two stages:

1. A Steering committee was created. It contributed to the objectives and strategies of the project to include its actual implementation and check the scope of conformity of the goals with the mechanisms of the program.
2. A future vision was crystallized by meetings of Arab intellects and activists throughout the year. This stage is concluded by holding a general conference and a presentation of a conference book that will include the final and complete version of the future vision.

We hope that our vision would contribute to change our reality and to impact the Israeli agenda, in an effective and positive way. This is a continuous process of the public action that the High Follow up Committee had been implementing since its establishment. We also hope to enrich the public discussion amongst us, Palestinians in the Diaspora, the Jewish society in Israel and the international public opinion.


Shokat Saleem, Georgia - 11 February, 2007

Musharaffs Legacy

Endowed with limitations as his qualifications and in power by default, Visionless and bird-brained Musharraf will leave behind a legacy wherein a day will come when he will be disowned by his own grandsons and greatgrandsons and his name will be registered as a name for shame and deciet and I doubt very much if there will be another Mushraff ever again.

Parvez Malik, Pakistan - 11 February, 2007

Musharraf & Israel

I fail to understand why Musharraf is acting like cabin boy for Neocons of US administration.Israel is client state of USA.If there is any possibility of peace between Palestinians & Israelis,US has to act as honest broker.If Israel is such an economic power then why does she take billions of
dollars every year from USA?Wake up people, Musharraf'is showboating.All those who are voicing their opinions in his favor do not realize that he already has U turned on the rights of another Muslim entity- Kashmiris.Why should Palestinians trust him ?

m i k, United Kingdom - 12 February, 2007

THINK DEEP FOR MUSLIM NATION

WE BEING THE TRUE THINKERS OF THIS MUSLIM NATION MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE SAYINGS OF MUSHARRAF SORRY PRESIDENT MUSHARRAF.WE MUST RECOGNIZE THE ZIONIST STATE TO EASE THE ZIONIST HARMS TO PELISTINIANS DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY.AFTER RECOGNITION THIS WILL HELP PAKISTAN TO HAVE MORE SUPPORT FROM WEST;UNDER JEWS,THROUGH MUSHARRAF.MUSHARRAF CAN MAKE ARMY STRONGER,DEVELOPE MORE TECHNOLOGIES TO FACE THE POSSIBLE THREATS OF FUTURE,TO PAKISTAN,BY WEST OR MAY BE EAST.MUSHARRAF IS DOING ALL THIS FOR PAKISTAN.IF NOT THEN WHAT CAN U DO EXCEPT WRITING OR READING THESE TYPE OF PUBLIC PAGES.WE MUST TRUST OUR LEADER.IF NOT THEN ADAPT THE LEADERSHIP QUALITIES FROM OUR STANDARD.AND THE STANDARD OF MUSLIM NATION LIES IN HOLY QURAN AND THE SAYINGS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD PBUH.IF U CHANGE UR STANDARD THEN MAY BE U R DOING THE BEST FOR MUSLIM NATION BUT PEOPLE WILL STILL THINK OF U WRONG.AND U WILL BE CONTRADICTED JUST LIKE MUSHARRAF IS NOW BEING AIMED.AT LAST I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER A VERY INNOCENT QUESTION THAT WHAT SHOULD OF MUSHARRAF THINK FIRST PELISTINE,WAZIRISTAN,KASHMIR,ETC.I THINK FIRST OF ALL ONLY MUSHARRAF SHOULD NOT THINK OF THESE ISSUES WE SHOULD ALSO DO THAT FAVOUR WITH REFERENCE TO HOLY QURAN AND SAYINGS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD PBUH.MUSHARRAF HAS TRIED TO SOLVE PROBLEM OF ALL THESE ISSUES BY CONSIDERING THEM AS A GENERAL ANTIMUSLIM CONSPIRACIES ALL OVER THE WORLD BY GIVING SUGGESTION OF RECOGNIZING ZIONIST STATE.NOW THE QUESTION IS WHO LIVES LONGER PESIDENT MUSHARRAF OR THE ZIONIST STATE.IF NOTHING IS GOOD STILL DONE BY MUSHARRAF THEN THINK URSELF THINK DEEP FOR THE MUSLIM NATION.BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER WHATEVER LEADER U GET IN UR PRESENCE ALWAY FOLLOW UR STANDARD,THE STANDARD OF MUSLIMS AND THE STANDARD IS ROPE OF GOD COMPRISED OF HOLY QURAN AND THE SAYINGS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD PBUH.MY THESE STATEMENTS REFLECT NOT MY FAVOUR TO MUSHARRAF BUT TO THE DEMAND OF OUR STANDANRD.AND THE SECURITY OF THOSE WHO FOLLOW THIS STANDARD TRULY,I MEAN THE MUSLIM NATION.

SALMAN MALIK, Pakistan - 12 February, 2007

voted

democracy , the peoples will.


wali, Pakistan - 13 February, 2007

Israeli plan for Islamic countries

A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties


by Oded Yinon



This essay originally appeared in Hebrew in KIVUNIM (Directions), A Journal for Judaism and Zionism; Issue No, 14--Winter, 5742, February 1982, Editor: Yoram Beck. Editorial Committee: Eli Eyal, Yoram Beck, Amnon Hadari, Yohanan Manor, Elieser Schweid. Published by the Department of Publicity/The World Zionist Organization, Jerusalem.



1
At the outset of the nineteen eighties the State of Israel is in need of a new perspective as to its place, its aims and national targets, at home and abroad. This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. We are living today in the early stages of a new epoch in human history which is not at all similar to its predecessor, and its characteristics are totally different from what we have hitherto known. That is why we need an understanding of the central processes which typify this historical epoch on the one hand, and on the other hand we need a world outlook and an operational strategy in accordance with the new conditions. The existence, prosperity and steadfastness of the Jewish state will depend upon its ability to adopt a new framework for its domestic and foreign affairs.

2
This epoch is characterized by several traits which we can already diagnose, and which symbolize a genuine revolution in our present lifestyle. The dominant process is the breakdown of the rationalist, humanist outlook as the major cornerstone supporting the life and achievements of Western civilization since the Renaissance. The political, social and economic views which have emanated from this foundation have been based on several "truths" which are presently disappearing--for example, the view that man as an individual is the center of the universe and everything exists in order to fulfill his basic material needs. This position is being invalidated in the present when it has become clear that the amount of resources in the cosmos does not meet Man's requirements, his economic needs or his demographic constraints. In a world in which there are four billion human beings and economic and energy resources which do not grow proportionally to meet the needs of mankind, it is unrealistic to expect to fulfill the main requirement of Western Society,1 i.e., the wish and aspiration for boundless consumption. The view that ethics plays no part in determining the direction Man takes, but rather his material needs do--that view is becoming prevalent today as we see a world in which nearly all values are disappearing. We are losing the ability to assess the simplest things, especially when they concern the simple question of what is Good and what is Evil.

3
The vision of man's limitless aspirations and abilities shrinks in the face of the sad facts of life, when we witness the break-up of world order around us. The view which promises liberty and freedom to mankind seems absurd in light of the sad fact that three fourths of the human race lives under totalitarian regimes. The views concerning equality and social justice have been transformed by socialism and especially by Communism into a laughing stock. There is no argument as to the truth of these two ideas, but it is clear that they have not been put into practice properly and the majority of mankind has lost the liberty, the freedom and the opportunity for equality and justice. In this nuclear world in which we are (still) living in relative peace for thirty years, the concept of peace and coexistence among nations has no meaning when a superpower like the USSR holds a military and political doctrine of the sort it has: that not only is a nuclear war possible and necessary in order to achieve the ends of Marxism, but that it is possible to survive after it, not to speak of the fact that one can be victorious in it.2

Rest will be posted in installments.


shab Qureshi, Pakistan - 14 February, 2007

US,Israel,musharraf are enemies of muslims/Pakistan

Israel is a closer friend to India than Pakistan will ever be.
Israeli nuclear weapon loaded submarines patrol the sea near Karachi regularly.
Israel does not have a clear cut map of where Israel starts and it ends.
Israel has been taking land from Palestinians even today as I write this sentence.
Israel even occupied the land which was in Jordan declared by Jordanian king to be Palestinian land,guess what happened to that?Israel occupied it.Jordanian king gave it away to Israel(fact)
Look at Israeli map and see the zionist jewish settlements all over the palestinian areas.
Guess what Musharraf or any pro US ruler cannot do a darn thing.Just because Israel is a partner with US in its crusade against all the muslim countries including Pakistan.
Israel has been trainig kurds in Iraq against Turkey for years with Turkish army's compliance.
Turkish generals even let Israeli air force planes stationed in Turkey for years.
Israel destroyed Iraq's nuclear reactor which was for peaceful purposes,actually a small research reactor.
Israel destroyed the whole civilian infra-structure i.e. bridges,roads,hospitals,dispansaries,power-plants supplying electricity,drinking water plants,grain storage areas to punish civilian population for two Israeli soldiers taken as prisners of war by Hizbullah.
Israel has regularly threatened to destroy Saudi Arabia's airforce planes because they were stationed in Saudi-Arabia but that area is not far from Israel.Saudis always obliged.
Israel has bombed civilian bridges and water reservoirs in Syria and lebanon without provocation.Israel has bombed Palestinians in Tunis,lebanon,Syria,egypt and other places.For Israel borders donot exist.Israel does not recognize sovereignity of any muslim country.
Israel has been shoulder deep in the holocast of Palestinians since 1948 and it never stops.
Israelis have killed pregnant women,infants,children,elderly and unarmed palestinian civilians without mercy.
Israel has buldozed Palestinian houses,destroyed their orchards and then build jewish settlements on them without compensation or remorse.
Israel is a hegemonist(believes other countries are to be subordinated to it)and is a racist country.
Israel was closest friend to White SouthAfrican partheid rulers and helped in killing its african citizensand keeping them in small areas called Bantustans.
Israel has an apartheid system in existance against Palestinians and bantustans in Palestine and Jerusalem.
Israel has no respect for muslim holy places in Israel.Israel is digging around the 3rd holiest muslim site(Dome of Rock) in Israel at this writing.Purpose?To bring it down so they can start building the jewish temple to bring the Jesus(for christians) and jewish messiah for the last time and 1000 year rule of Jews and christians.
These are the facts.You decide if you want Israel as a friend.

shab Qureshi, United Kingdom - 14 February, 2007

Attn; Editor Paktribune

Editor Pak Tribune :
Enough of this discussion. Let us move to some other topic. Musharraf is not bound by any legal restrictions.He is not elected by masses.As long as other generals are behind him, he will set his own agenda.One thing for sure.He is no Charles DeGaul of France. Once he is removed from power,like Zia Ul Haq, people will forget him in a heartbeat.

mik, United Kingdom - 14 February, 2007

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