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02 January, 2009

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Intense war mongering is being seen on both sides of the border in the aftermath of the Mumbai Terror attack.


  • Can there be another war between India and Pakistan?
  • If yes, what will be the repercussions?
  • If no, what is the solution?
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    Reader Comments:

    Kashmir/ Pakistan Problem

    61 years have passed since independence of Pakistan and India. 61 years since Mahatma Gandhi died. 61 years since Kashmir has remained a source of friction between India and Pakistan. Also for 61 years we have been having Hindu-Muslim rproblem. It is about time, we take a fresh look and solve both the problems.

    No body in India cares how Mahatma Gandhi or Pandit Nehru thought. It is about time we solved Kashmir problem.

    India should accept that all the muslims really want to go and live in Pakistan. So India should forget about commitment to secularism. Indians want peace. We have tried to make muslims feel part of the country. But the fact is India has failed. Organizations like SIMI have proved that Muslims do not like to live in India. To my mind, India should allow all the muslims to go to Pakistan. Let there be another partition. All Muslims to be sent to Pakistan.

    Pakistan wants Kashmir. Give Kashmir to Pakistan. Any way no body can go to Kashmir any more.

    In first phase, send all the Muslims to either directly to Pakistan or first to send Muslims to Kashmir. Then give Kasmir to Pakistan.

    Summary: Give Kashmir to Pakistan. Give all the 16 crores muslims (currently living in India) to Pakistan. Also promise to give Rs. 16 crores multiplied by 10,000Rs to Pakistan. India can thereafter be Hindu country and pakistan can be Muslim country. Both can have peaceful relations. Kashmir problem is solved. also Muslim problem is solved.

    I will like to hear from our friends on this subject.

    Vishnu Arya

    Vishnu Arya, United Kingdom - 14 January, 2009

    Mr Sheikh is right

    I will agree 100 percent with Mr Shahbaz Sheikh of Kuwait that no other press any where in any country in the world will allow and publish something that is incriminating the country, its religion, its military, its people, its intelligence and its very existence in the very press of that country. Mr Sheikh has named most of those exalted Indians who are doing a very cleverly manipulated work of incriminating Paks and they are falsifying their names and addresses to make it all side all global attack against the noble Paks, whose country these spies are hell bent to dis-integrate.These bastards are even talking of republic of Sindh, republic of Baluchistan and RO OF NWFP type of dismembering talks against paks in global media.

    Paks very existence and the life of noble 170 million Paks is under attack through the vicious malicious Indian agendas and supported by Indian financed suicidal bombings within Pak territory.

    Mr Gilani is standing up with some courage for now.Pak nukes have perhaps spared a ful blown attack against Pakistan.Otherwise, the fate of 170 million strong Paks would have been no different than powerless Palestinians being slaugtered with no one to stop the butchers.

    All us Paks have to stand up united and think of strengthening the country.The nation must be very much dismayed at our new ISI chief Mr Pasha, who has been utterly irresponsible in putting the cart before the horse by saying that Paks have nothing to worry from india and fighting terror is Paks only enemy like situation.Heaven knows what type of conspiracies are being hatched against Pak nation by changing,re-arranging and re-orientating the set ups of various Pak survival establishments to serve certain selective interests.

    Let us be forgiving, if there is room , any sch maligning if it does not tear the country apart.

    There will be much kinked up psychological pressure in the dosguise of Bombay blasts to weaken the Pak nation resolve by the state enemies mostly from outside and less from within.

    Pak leadership and nation will have to stand firm.It is good that Paks have some pacts with China and also there is relief that the Bush and CO are soon leaving the white house.

    Pak nation has demonstrated that it wants no animosity with America, China, Russia or any other country and that includes india too.But , no one or no country stands off guard against things that are even heard and seen or read on global media and from across the border.You can only try to tame the wolf, but sleeping with it can cost even life.

    PAKISTAN HAS TO GET ENOUGH GUARRANTEE AND PROOOF THAT IT IS SAFE FROM THE MALIGNING AND INCRIMINATING ACTORS.

    PAKISTAN IS PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT GEO-STRATEGY FOR THE WHOLE WORLD AND PAKS DO NOT WANT TO BE PART OF ARMAGEDDON EQUATION THAT IS LOOMING NOW.THE WHOLE WORLD MUST BE SUPPORTING PAKS SURVIVAL AND GUARRANTING ITS CARE.NO MIGHTY PLAYER IS CLEAN ENOUGH AND CONSISTENT ENOUGH TO GIVE LASTING PARTNERSHIP TO ANY.EVEN INDIA DOES MILITARY EXERCISES WITH AMERICA TODAY,RUSSIA TOMORROW AND CHINA DAY AFTER TOMORROW.IF PAKISTAN IS GONE FORBID, THEN NEITHER AMERICA NOR THE ARAB WORLD NOR CHINA WILL BE FEELING SAFE OR SECURE OR STABLE.AND UAE AND BAHRAIN ETC WITH MAJORITY INDIAN EXPATS WILL BE FACING THE SAME SLAUGHTER 10,20 OR THIRTY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AS PALESTINIANS ARE GOING THROUGH NOW.PALESTINAINS ALLOWED THE JEWS TO BUY PARCELS OF PROPERTY,LAND AND BUSINESSES BEFORE 1948 AND 1948 WAS TOO LATE AS PALESTINE WAS SOLD THEN.THERE IS NO SUCH FOREIGN DOMINENCE IN LARGER SAUDI ARABIA OR IRAN, BUT NOTE MY WORDS THAT UAE, BAHRAIN, QATAR ETC MAY BE SEEING PALESTINE AKIN SLAUGTER FEW DECADES DOWN THE ROAD.AMERICA MAY RETIRE FROM SUPER POWER STATUS COUPLE DECADES DOWN THE ROAD AS NORMAL HISTORIC THING, BUT UAE ETC MAY BECOME PART OF INDIA AS NO ONE WILL BE THERE TO DEFEND THEM AS PALESTINE IS SUFFERING TODAY.EVEN AMERICANS WILL BE BEGGING IN THE STREETS OF BOMBAY IF PAKISTAN FALLS GOD FORBID.

    FOR GOD SAKE KEEP UNITED ARAB REPUBLIC AS ARAB BY KEEPING IT ARABIC FIRST AND ISLAMIC AS SECOND IDENTITY IF YOU CHOOSE IT THAT WAY.BRING IN MOSTLY ARABS LIKE SYRIANS, LEBANESE, PALESTINIANS,EGYPTIANS OR OTHER ARABS TO SETTLE AND LIVE THERE AND BRING IN BANGLADESHIS AND PAKISTANIS AND IRANIANS AND OTHERS IF THERE IS ROOM FOR THEM IN UAE.RIGHT NOW UAE IS SOWING THE SEEDS OF BLOOD TO MAKE THE ARABS THERE BECOME PALESTINE OF FUTURE.KEEP UAE ARABIC FOR THE VERY LEAST.IRAN AND SAUDI ARABIA ARE NOT COMMITTING THE FOLLIES THAT WOULD BE UNFORTUNATELY TRAGIC REPEAT OF PALESTINE.

    PAKISTAN HAS TO GET STRONGER.KEEP FRIENDS WITH ALL,BUT WATCH YOUR NECKS FROM THE ONE WHO IS OPENLY, DELIBERATELY HELL BENT IN SPEAKING OF EVIL AGAINST YOU.

    PAKISTAN MUST DEVELOPE ITS COAL RESERVES AS MUCH FAST, BECOME ENERGY CONDUIT BETWEEN CHINA AND MIDDLE EAST TO MAXED UTILIZATION, KEEP FRIENDLY AND SMILING WITH AMERICA,OFFER FRIENDSHIP HAND TO RUSSIA AND TEST INDIA'S SINCERITY FOR TRUE TRUST AND TRANSPARENCY OF GOOD RELATIONSHIP.



    Anwar Mahmood, Canada - 14 January, 2009


    Uhmm, Anwar .. on what basis are you accusing India of funding suicidal strikes in Pakistan and lobbying for republic of baloch? If Pakistan had whatsoever any proof they would have screamed out it out from their lungs...

    This is just a diversionary tactic to take blame of itself.

    Talk about yourself and not others. Why are you denying that the terrorists were Pakistanis? All you have to do is look at the dossier ( its uploaded on web for all to see) which contains pictures, excerpts, photographic evidence, GPS data , official press statements by Pakistan etc..

    Before crying that the world is out to hunt you, stop hunting the world first.

    ~aL

    Ambuj, Ukraine - 14 January, 2009



    I disagree with the fanatic and fraud, Anwar Mahmood. Only American media brought out the details of Guantanamo. Only Americans and its media brought out the details of AbuGraib torture and prison abuse. In modern world, Americans always stood against inhumane activities of own citizens and foreigners. About Samjotha tragedy, Indian media and agencies brought the details to public.

    But in Pakistan, 99.99999999999999999999% of people (Rulers and citizens) always tried to cover up genocide and atrocities of Pakistani army and ISI. Pakistani media orchestrated the cover up. The world and the people like us always caught them red handed. We are in this forum not to disgrace Pakistan's image. We are here to show the right paths to Fanatics and illiterates like Anwar Mahmood. Pakistani Punjabis are the worst in entire human history. They will do anything and everything for Power, Money and Woman. They will deprive Sindh and stole everything (All minerals and wealth) from Baluchistan.

    Pakistanis are very peace loving and beautiful people. (I have heard this sentence only from Pakistanis and not from anyone else. Mr. Zardari and Mr. Gilani say the same sentence 2 times a day like a prescribed medicine. Anwar Mahmood says and writes the same sentence 999 times per day, even at his sleep.)




    Jones, Canada - 15 January, 2009

    Indias Response

    Pakistan has to accept that people who murdered innocent civilians in Bombay were from pakistan and had state backing (like ISI),, if it does not then there is counter attack from India,, which could imclude dividing pakistan ( India already did in 1971 bangaldesh) but this time it would be devastating like supporting the people of Balochistan in their freedom struggle,, supporting the people of North western frontier in their freedom strugle,, so these things would come at a heavy price to Pak and they should stop supporting terrorism work for the people of pakistan instead ok wasting money on their defence purchases from USA and France,,,look at the general infaltion rate in pakistan, people dying without food , water and basic things of life,, and they still wants to get into all this Jihad because Jihadis get free biryani in heaven ,, jokes apart seriously commenting ,, look at the past 60 yrs people are talking about india as the next big super power,, information technology power house ,, financial capital of the world ,, and much more and look at pakistan still Under developed non emerging economy,, corruopt politician and bureaucrats,, all the people who talk about pakistan around the world talk about their jihadis and terrorists and murder of Mrs Bhuttoo,,, Musharraf who took billionsof dollars in aid from US,, spent all those dollars on Pak Army and waging a jihadist war against India,,,, To sumarise my comments I would say India is very patient nation and its patienceis running thin now if pakistan does not act against the people who were behind the Bombay attacks,, other wise there will be proxy war in Balochistan and NWFP which will cost pakist dearly and it will become a nation of Jihdis with no human beings

    Vishal, Hungary - 15 January, 2009

    Stop Blame game

    Dear readers of Paktribune stop blaming your neighbours either its Pakistan or India. Why so much mistrust against each other? can,t you see that its only the political parties that are gaining from all this war of words? Iam 100% sure that citizen of these countries are all peace loving.so why so much verbal hatered. I was amazed to read the threatening comments of few Indians!! come on just leave this behind trust me no common Pakistani is invovled in Mumbai attacks.So leave these theart game for the leaders of the both countries and live like a good neighbours,who share and care about each other..

    Hashim Jan, Aruba - 15 January, 2009

    Mad people would talk of war only since any war can not bring results unless it is fought conclusively. It is easier to start a war but difficult to close it on unless war is for an end. The maturity would be in talking of progress, cooperation and bringing people togther. The region has suffered dur to dirty politics and this needs a fresh look. The countries like US and Uk are still taken advantage of the conflict in this region. They are the one who have looted us comletely but we still believe them.

    Varun, Hungary - 15 January, 2009

    Fake currency circulation

    Pakistan laysoff 71 trainee employees due to recession. Some groups have filed for bankruptcy due to financial crunch. CEO and Chief Mentor of LeT Mr. Lakhvi has voluntarily announced to forego bonus and 50pc paycut in his takehome package. Obama is thinking about offering bailout package for the big 3 : JuD, LeT and JeM. But Lakhvi insists with Obama that fake currency circulation would be the best option to revive consumer confidence in the world.

    Aryan, Gambia - 15 January, 2009

    Zardari needs to learn

    Zardari seems to think that he's the champion against terror because he lost his wife. If that is legitimate, it must be borne out by actions of his government and army against the same group of people that India also wants. Is there a need to sit and debate, agree about facts, and waste public taxpayer money in hosting such cowardly and mean-minded leaders from the enemy side?

    I guess not. Dialogue and diplomacy can be done when both sides agree on a common platform. It's only a sheer waste of time when you negotiate with a counterpart who cannopt change his basic principles

    Rana, Swaziland - 15 January, 2009

    Ugly Jones

    look at that awefully ugly Indian face of Jones trying to do some coverup of his disgusting uglyness.Even a monkey standing next to him will deign at him and walk away tall with the monkey's far better beauty than this hopelessly ugly hindu.But, deep in his soul,ugly Jones wishes that he may be re-incarnated ten times less attractive compared to the monkey as the monkey deigns jones and walks his each beauty measured step with laughs that hindu Jones will never be one tenth of his beauty.What an ugly creature is that Jones and his creed.

    Just a little while ago a monkey came running from India to Pak border saying as such:

    "O sweet,, handsome and lovely and lovable Paks, I need your protection and refuge as the ugly Jones tried to kiss him with his ugliest face on planet earth."

    Paks had to dry the monkey's tears and got him devoid of the ugly Jones intended kisses.Let alone handsome and lovely Paks, the monkey creed is running away from the ugly shadow of Jones and alike, who are languishing in their wishes to be at least half as in looks compared to the monkeys, who walks with pride and tail aloft in his pride in deign of ugly Jones looks.

    STAY AWAY YOU UGLIER THAN MONKEY JONES.

    Jones, Jones , ugly Jones
    Yes,he eats his own bones
    Uglier than the monkey breed
    It's him, and his ugly creed

    Even the monkey got his frail
    He looks Jones,who so fails
    With jumping leg N tail high
    Monkey looks Jones with cry

    Monkey runs from ugly Jones
    On jones he threw the stones
    Jones envies each a monkey
    Wishes why he was a donkey

    Even the donkey got his bray
    Wishing it was not the day
    Even the donkey kicks Jones
    Bastard eats his own bones

    Anwar Mahmood, Canada - 15 January, 2009

    No hunt for Indian dogs and hounds

    This Pak tribune forum is not the forum of dogs and hounds as that Indian creature from UAE is talking of hunting.

    Here is no hunting talks and no dogs and hounds must be allowed like the one trying to interpose amongst us humans.

    This forum talks of redressing of some human mistakes.Sorry, it does'nt offer hunting ground to astray hounds and dogs from India even if they are barking from UAE.

    Anwar Mahmood, Canada - 15 January, 2009

    " SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM "

    " SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM
    Pakistan is poor, Bangladesh is poor and Muslims in India are poor. I think the genesis of poverty is in ignorance. Ignorance is Islam. Long live ignorance and long live islam.
    ALI, Pakistan "

    - Why Muslims of Pakistan always say "Long live Islam" instead of "Long live humanity?" Not only Muslims are poor in India. There are Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists are among poor too. Every Indian has equal constitutional rights and in some case minorities enjoys more rights than majority Hindus (i.e. Muslims get subsidies for Huj pilgrimage while Hindus don't). Muslims of India are in better condition than Muslims of Pakistan. India never had issue like "Shia or Sunni". India had A P J Kalam as president of india and Mr. Manmohan Singh is priminister. Majority of Indian people are secular. People from 8 different religions live together peacefully. In contrast, Pakistani media keeps showing Bajrangdal, VHP and Shivsena activist videos on TV, which does not have any recognition from 1 billion people of India. Islamic Country theory has failed the Pakistan at all fronts. Only way to peace and prosperity is secularism. That is the reason why ISI, Army generals, politicians in Pakistan send their own children to US/UK/CANADA and other western countries to study and live. They won't send their kids to Middle East (Saudi/UAE etc) get settle down.
    If Pakistan continues its current policies of harboring terrorism then it will become a failed state soon like Somalia and others. One other country will need to attack Pakistan. Proof is situation in SWAT valley, NWFP and other western regions. Pakistan doesn't have great threat from India or Afghanistan but from its own Govt Agencies like Army and ISI. Look at the fund they are receiving in name of national security and compare their wealth with their salaries. You will get an answer. Only God can save Pakistan from its own people.


    Firoz Ali, Hungary - 15 January, 2009

    true statment about indo pak

    dear readers the muslim concept of society is above countries. if we lose pakistan so what we will make another pakistan out of india the way we did in 1947. i know people wont like it but its true that countries built up, go high and die as well.through history india is a weak nation as we all know barking dogs seldom bite and only weak people shout.when pakistan lost bangladesh they never regret it cus thay are muslim and this world is there too as much as ours.so we are happy for them.people in india are very poor.the govt is rich but people are very very poor but in pakistan govt is poor but people are rich enough to live happy.india cant efford to attack,as simple as that cus its been over a month we are listening to these shouts.now when an indian talk about war a guy in pakistan wud laugh cus its become a joke.the people who talk about religon infact they have other agendas and we would let them live in the fire of hatred so the smoke will start comming out of them.if the forum wants positive discusion than we should come forward and give suggestion to bring peace within us.

    a,s,khan, United Arab Emirates - 15 January, 2009

    Beautiful and well said Nair

    I couldn't agree with Nair's (from India) comments more ;-) These politicians have ruined our potential to come together and take the world by storm. Some of my best friends are Hindus and they support me in difficult times in ways that you can't imagine. God give extremist idiots on both sides the courage to overcome their blind prejudices so that India and Pakistan can be the BEST of friends. Ameen.

    Adnan Raja, Pakistan - 16 January, 2009

    Face value and credibility

    A majority of polititians in India and Pakistan may not have face value and credentials visible to to perceptual domain of common man , resulting into politically balanced standalone statments. Recent events ,however, have revealed less alignments to political corrections- viz Chidambram - expressing in quantified ,verfiable and inferenceable terms of logically derived intent. Pranab - going beyond - fool me onece shame on you fool me twise shame on me. Zardari's silence acknowledged the pain of suufering in hung mandate. Gialani's overtures -attempting to pacify the audience- to define a role of an office in democracy.Sharif with less secure audience .Jounalist of Pakistan revealed honesty of their academics sincerety , outscoring over media in India in this regard. Time however is to rise above all this ,political corrections and media debates mitigating the equilibrium ,if we believe are not born to suffer indefinately with given genitical relevance to standby.

    Guitty, Hungary - 16 January, 2009

    Offensive against PAK

    The offensive against PAK should consist of 3 type of different actions, simultaneously
    1. Economic 2. Political 3. Force. Firstly try and persude the nations sending aids to PAK to cut these aids by prooving that these funds are going in to terror training. Secondly isolate PAK internationally, any country should think twice before supporting PAK. Thirdly, deploy more forces in the border, whether PAK likes it or not, and cut off all infilteration. Our leaders should have the political will to do all the above acts. We the people of India will support you. Let us not have another Mumbai. Jai Bharat Mata

    Radha, Mongolia - 16 January, 2009

    Go Ahead

    Well someone just wrote that should the pakisthani people be blamed for having institutions like the ISI and others.Why not? If we are responsible for behaviour of our politicians then so are Pakisthanis.
    If one has seen Pakisthanis speaking about the ban on HUD you will understand their psyche.They are simply not bothered about what the organisation is doing,they were only bothered that it has been banned under Indias pressure and that is a uncomfortable thought for them.
    What more do you expect from a nation which was built on the basis of hatred and is still living with only thought of somehow damaging and destroying India.
    India also faced the same humiliating military defeat with China in 1962 , but India has moved on is the second fastest growing economy in the world.W are not obsessed with China and I am sure 75% of Indian people dont even know that what happened in 1962.
    This all the talk of having bad politicians appear good in talk shows,but as a matter of fact there is no love lost between Indian and Pakisthani people and they hate each other with almost the same intensity as they did at the time of partisan and it is irrespective of religion.
    So,India should attack the terrorist camps in Pakisthan as early as possible...............There will be some sanctions for some time as were there after Pokhran blast but then the same contries allowed India to do all the nuclear trading....so go ahead Indian government Indian people are watching You..................

    Asif, Slovenia - 16 January, 2009

    HOLD PAKISTANI SOCIETY ACCOUNTABLE

    A society that keeps quiet or even abets scouting of young unemployed Pakistanis recruits by the elite army from the rural hinterland for jihad against a neighboring country ! A society that looks the other way or breeds terrorists and criminals in their backyard ! A society even at the risk of being declared a terrorist state by UNSC continues in denial mode inspite of irrefutable evidences The question is can such a decadent society be fit to be part of modern world of 21st century deserving trust and befriending by a open society that is India ? Not just that. The D-company --our fugitives are their cream of society ? And the contempt with which they dismiss his presence in Pakistan ? Can we afford to be friends with such a people ?

    Aslam, Slovenia - 16 January, 2009

    Evidence my Foot

    Pakis keep on asking about evidence from India. Do they have the guts to ask for the evidence of their or osama bin laden's involvement in 9/11 attack on the usa? The moment Americans found out who was involved, they just went and bombed them. Even today they are launching missiles inside pakistan. No evidence has ever been provided to the pakis. We should ignore this and get on with how to deal with it in our own way.

    Susan, Azerbaijan - 16 January, 2009

    Muslim mentaility should change

    Basically Muslim mentality has to change to root out the terrorism from entire world. Our country is spoken as a terror sponsor throughout the world.. pakistani military shouls stop supporting extermist group.

    Azhar Mahamood, Pakistan - 17 January, 2009

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