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22 August, 2005

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Amid international appreciation and a strong resistance from Jewish settlers, Israeli forces are engaged in evacuating some 38 settlements in Gaza Strip ending 38 years of occupation in the impoverished territory. Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas has hailed the Gaza pullout as the fruit of Palestiniansí sacrifices. He, however, reiterates his refrain that Israel must make further pull backs around Jerusalem and as West Bank. The operation, the Israel has removed Jews from Palestinian land for the first time, has sharply divided the Jewish state with many settlers accusing their one-time champion Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of betrayal. Adding his voice to the chorus of criticism, a former Prime Minister and a member of Sharonís cabinet, Benjamin Netanyahu has resigned from his office. He observes that the pullout will provide more ground to armed Palestinians to conduct "terrorist attacks" against Israel. On the other hand, the Islamic Resistance Movement of Hamas reiterates that it will not disarm even after the Israeli pullout from the Gaza Strip, and will continue its struggle until Israel leaves the all parts of the occupied territories.

1) Do you think the pullout is a significant move and a step towards liberation of Palestine?


2) Has Israel realized that it cannot subjugate the Palestinians by force or it is the result of an international pressure?


3) Does the pullout show US and Israelís sincerity to resolve the Palestinian problem?


4) Can Palestinians and Jews live peacefully as two independent States if Israel pulls back from other settlements too?

Reader Comments:

Palestine is Lost to the Arabs for Good

First, here are answers to your queries:

1) The Pull-out from Gaza is a stunt. Abu Mazen, Mahmoud Abbas presents himself and the celebrating Palestinians to the Israelis as well as to the Americans a "laughing stock". Israel can always come back to Gaza in case of need.

2)Israel does not want Palestinians, even the Christians sharing life with its people. Jews consider all non-Jews "Gentiles". For that matter "Bush" and Blair and all non-Jews are "gentiles". The question of subjugating doesn't arise. Israel is fast heading towards a Jewish state, though torn in ethnic strife from within.

3)U.S. has its own agenda in the Middle East. There is no "Palestinian" problem there. The "problem" concerns purely Israel, though at this moment both Israel and America are trying to fool Palestinians. In fact it is Palestinians who are fooling themselves. Palestine is headed towards a battlefield of "Armageddon", unless God wishes differently. Only fools would strive to live in and around a "would be battlefield".

4) Palestinians and Israelis are two different people and are not meant to live in two parallel states. In the first place, creation of Israel as a state is both frofane and illegitimate in the eyes of Jewish religious orthodoxy. Why then, create another state when the Palestinians can live in much, much better environment in Jordan and elsewhere in Arab states?

Please take careful notes of what the Jewish sources have to say about their designs in Palestine:

Here is an excerpt from a "Survey on Israel" published by "The Economist" of London (22 Jan. 1994).

"Israel can never be completely safe from Palestinian irredentism. Its best hope is that Mr. Arafat can impose compromise on his people. Given the strong challenges already mounted against him -- Palestinian extremists accuse him of betrayal, Palestinian liberals of acting the autocrat -- that can hardly be foregone conclusion. Besides, who is to say that Arafat himself will be satisfied with less than half of Palestine? In the long run, he or his successor stands a fair chance of inheriting Jordan, where Palestinians are now a majority. He could also one day renew his claim on Israel proper. There is, after all, an uncomfortable precedence. In the 1940s Israel's founder, David Ben Gurion, reluctantly accepted partition, but continued to hope that a chance would eventually come to "grab" the whole of Palestine. In 1967 the chance came, and Israel grabbed."

Palestine is a very "complex" issue. Few in the Muslim Ummah have given an in-depth study and analysis of this subject. The only silver lining points to handing over the whole Palestine to Judaism in a peace truce with Israel. let the Palestinian vacate the West Bank voluntarily for the imminent exodus of the six million American Jewry to be accommodated there. Wouldn't the Jewish exodus play a havoc in America? Well, that is amatter for President Bush and his successor to mull over.

The Palestinians are no match for the Israelis, in any respect. Israelis have no other place to retreat to now. Palestinians have the whole wide world to get a friendly welcome.

Here is an end-time prophecy of a Jewish Prophet Isaiah: "He looked forward to a time when the wolf and the kid, the lion and the lamb -- creatures previously in a state of deadly hostility with one another --would lie down together in peace on God's Holy Mountain." At the same time Prophets and visionaries have imagined violent battles in the Valley of Hinnom, "when God's people will prevail and its enemies will either be wholly exterminated or enslaved."

I would strongly recommend for a peace truce by the Arabs, allowing Judaism an entity of sorts to live under the umbrella of Islam. It would definitely solve the palestinians' problem. But as for the Jews, their problems would only begin to unfold and they would find no one except their half-brothers, the Arabs, to help them with a recourse to Arabs' sources of water and other necessities.
Trade and commerce relations would be a bonus to the Israelis.

It is an interesting story and needs academic study and close interaction with Judaism in a most friendly environment. There lurks a fear of a meltdown in America quite similar to the Soviet Russia-style. But a devastation in America would be in nobody's interest except, perhaps, to the joy and celebration of the extremist Islamists in Pakistan.

Sher Mohammad.
Email: sher-apr@yahoo.com

Sher Mohammad, Pakistan - 26 August, 2005

Palestine is Lost to the Arabs for Good

First, here are answers to your queries:

1) The Pull-out from Gaza is a stunt. Abu Mazen, Mahmoud Abbas presents himself and the celebrating Palestinians to the Israelis as well as to the Americans a "laughing stock". Israel can always come back to Gaza in case of need.

2)Israel does not want Palestinians, even the Christians sharing life with its people. Jews consider all non-Jews "Gentiles". For that matter "Bush" and Blair and all non-Jews are "gentiles". The question of subjugating doesn't arise. Israel is fast heading towards a Jewish state, though torn in ethnic strife from within.

3)U.S. has its own agenda in the Middle East. There is no "Palestinian" problem there. The "problem" concerns purely Israel, though at this moment both Israel and America are trying to fool Palestinians. In fact it is Palestinians who are fooling themselves. Palestine is headed towards a battlefield of "Armageddon", unless God wishes differently. Only fools would strive to live in and around a "would be battlefield".

4) Palestinians and Israelis are two different people and are not meant to live in two parallel states. In the first place, creation of Israel as a state is both frofane and illegitimate in the eyes of Jewish religious orthodoxy. Why then, create another state when the Palestinians can live in much, much better environment in Jordan and elsewhere in Arab states?

Please take careful notes of what the Jewish sources have to say about their designs in Palestine:

Here is an excerpt from a "Survey on Israel" published by "The Economist" of London (22 Jan. 1994).

"Israel can never be completely safe from Palestinian irredentism. Its best hope is that Mr. Arafat can impose compromise on his people. Given the strong challenges already mounted against him -- Palestinian extremists accuse him of betrayal, Palestinian liberals of acting the autocrat -- that can hardly be foregone conclusion. Besides, who is to say that Arafat himself will be satisfied with less than half of Palestine? In the long run, he or his successor stands a fair chance of inheriting Jordan, where Palestinians are now a majority. He could also one day renew his claim on Israel proper. There is, after all, an uncomfortable precedence. In the 1940s Israel's founder, David Ben Gurion, reluctantly accepted partition, but continued to hope that a chance would eventually come to "grab" the whole of Palestine. In 1967 the chance came, and Israel grabbed."

Palestine is a very "complex" issue. Few in the Muslim Ummah have given an in-depth study and analysis of this subject. The only silver lining points to handing over the whole Palestine to Judaism in a peace truce with Israel. let the Palestinian vacate the West Bank voluntarily for the imminent exodus of the six million American Jewry to be accommodated there. Wouldn't the Jewish exodus play a havoc in America? Well, that is amatter for President Bush and his successor to mull over.

The Palestinians are no match for the Israelis, in any respect. Israelis have no other place to retreat to now. Palestinians have the whole wide world to get a friendly welcome.

Here is an end-time prophecy of a Jewish Prophet Isaiah: "He looked forward to a time when the wolf and the kid, the lion and the lamb -- creatures previously in a state of deadly hostility with one another --would lie down together in peace on God's Holy Mountain." At the same time Prophets and visionaries have imagined violent battles in the Valley of Hinnom, "when God's people will prevail and its enemies will either be wholly exterminated or enslaved."

I would strongly recommend for a peace truce by the Arabs, allowing Judaism an entity of sorts to live under the umbrella of Islam. It would definitely solve the palestinians' problem. But as for the Jews, their problems would only begin to unfold and they would find no one except their half-brothers, the Arabs, to help them with a recourse to Arabs' sources of water and other necessities.
Trade and commerce relations would be a bonus to the Israelis.

It is an interesting story and needs academic study and close interaction with Judaism in a most friendly environment. There lurks a fear of a meltdown in America quite similar to the Soviet Russia-style. But a devastation in America would be in nobody's interest except, perhaps, to the joy and celebration of the extremist Islamists in Pakistan.

Sher Mohammad.
Email: sher-apr@yahoo.com

Sher Mohammad, Pakistan - 26 August, 2005

Palestine is Lost to the Arabs for Good

First, here are answers to your queries:

1) The Pull-out from Gaza is a stunt. Abu Mazen, Mahmoud Abbas presents himself and the celebrating Palestinians to the Israelis as well as to the Americans a "laughing stock". Israel can always come back to Gaza in case of need.

2)Israel does not want Palestinians, even the Christians sharing life with its people. Jews consider all non-Jews "Gentiles". For that matter "Bush" and Blair and all non-Jews are "gentiles". The question of subjugating doesn't arise. Israel is fast heading towards a Jewish state, though torn in ethnic strife from within.

3)U.S. has its own agenda in the Middle East. There is no "Palestinian" problem there. The "problem" concerns purely Israel, though at this moment both Israel and America are trying to fool Palestinians. In fact it is Palestinians who are fooling themselves. Palestine is headed towards a battlefield of "Armageddon", unless God wishes differently. Only fools would strive to live in and around a "would be battlefield".

4) Palestinians and Israelis are two different people and are not meant to live in two parallel states. In the first place, creation of Israel as a state is both frofane and illegitimate in the eyes of Jewish religious orthodoxy. Why then, create another state when the Palestinians can live in much, much better environment in Jordan and elsewhere in Arab states?

Please take careful notes of what the Jewish sources have to say about their designs in Palestine:

Here is an excerpt from a "Survey on Israel" published by "The Economist" of London (22 Jan. 1994).

"Israel can never be completely safe from Palestinian irredentism. Its best hope is that Mr. Arafat can impose compromise on his people. Given the strong challenges already mounted against him -- Palestinian extremists accuse him of betrayal, Palestinian liberals of acting the autocrat -- that can hardly be foregone conclusion. Besides, who is to say that Arafat himself will be satisfied with less than half of Palestine? In the long run, he or his successor stands a fair chance of inheriting Jordan, where Palestinians are now a majority. He could also one day renew his claim on Israel proper. There is, after all, an uncomfortable precedence. In the 1940s Israel's founder, David Ben Gurion, reluctantly accepted partition, but continued to hope that a chance would eventually come to "grab" the whole of Palestine. In 1967 the chance came, and Israel grabbed."

Palestine is a very "complex" issue. Few in the Muslim Ummah have given an in-depth study and analysis of this subject. The only silver lining points to handing over the whole Palestine to Judaism in a peace truce with Israel. let the Palestinian vacate the West Bank voluntarily for the imminent exodus of the six million American Jewry to be accommodated there. Wouldn't the Jewish exodus play a havoc in America? Well, that is a matter for President Bush and his successor to mull over.

The Palestinians are no match for the Israelis, in any respect. Israelis have no other place to retreat to now. Palestinians have the whole wide world to get a friendly welcome.

Here is an end-time prophecy of a Jewish Prophet Isaiah: "He looked forward to a time when the wolf and the kid, the lion and the lamb -- creatures previously in a state of deadly hostility with one another --would lie down together in peace on God's Holy Mountain." At the same time Prophets and visionaries have imagined violent battles in the Valley of Hinnom, "when God's people will prevail and its enemies will either be wholly exterminated or enslaved."

I would strongly recommend for a peace truce by the Arabs, allowing Judaism an entity of sorts to live under the umbrella of Islam. It would definitely solve the palestinians' problem. But as for the Jews, their problems would only begin to unfold and they would find no one except their half-brothers, the Arabs, to help them with a recourse to Arabs' sources of water and other necessities.
Trade and commerce relations would be a bonus to the Israelis.

It is an interesting story and needs academic study and close interaction with Judaism in a most friendly environment. There lurks a fear of a meltdown in America quite similar to the Soviet Russia-style. But a devastation in America would be in nobody's interest except, perhaps, to the joy and celebration of the extremist Islamists in Pakistan.

(Revised).

Sher Mohammad.
Email: sher-apr@yahoo.com

Sher Mohammad, Pakistan - 26 August, 2005

They can live together

Jews and muslims have even lived together in the times of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Infact living in proper inter-faith harmony convinced most of Jews to convert to Islam, so I think if we stop criticising who invaded whom and start accepting the fact that we can both live in peace, it can further spread Islam as well.

AK, Pakistan - 27 August, 2005

RELATIONS WITH ISRAEL

It will be a great event if leaders ofISRAEL and Pakistan meet in New York. The so-called religious parties of Pakistan did not even recognize their own leaders like Jinnah, Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, Allam Iqbal, so how can we expect them to recognize this great international diplomatic development of the century. If Jews and Pakistanis both prefer kosher food then they can have diplomatic relations too.
It's a great chance for both Pakistan and Israel to establish diplomatic relations and understanding between the people of both countries. I am glad that the president of Pakistan is going to speak to Jews in New York. We should understand that Jews, Muslims, and Christians are religions of one God and Islam and Muslims recognize and respect David, Jesus and Mary. Islam even allows intermarriage with Jews and Christians, so what is the problem? I am from Pakistan but a US citizen. I am really glad that Israel and Pakistan are coming together slowly.
KAZI HUSSIAN is obssesed with demonstrations and strikes,he needs to learn art of today's world diplomacy.
m waqar
NEW YORK

M WAQAR, United Kingdom - 02 September, 2005

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