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Act of Burying Women Alive

03 September, 2008

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In the midst of massive political, economic and social crisis faced by the country, the shocking news of the barbaric incident of burying five women alive in the name of tribal honour in the district Nasirabad, Balochistan, and the subsequent defence of the brutal act as the Baloch tradition in the Senate by Israrullah Zehri and Jan Mohammad Jamali, has made many think that with such a misogynist and criminal mindset of our public representatives, what hope do we have to survive as a nation and pull ourselves out of multiple crises. The response of the senators from Balochistan is a repeat of the response of Ajmal Khattak of the ANP and some other members of the senate who defended the "honour killing" of Samia Imran by her family in 1991 as the Pukhtun tradition.

The way provincial government tried to cover up the incident and manipulated the local administration and the law enforcement agencies because of the alleged involvement of Abdus Sattar Umrani, a brother of Sadiq Umrani, provincial minister of housing shows that there is no hope for justice for the poor and women as long as tribal, feudal and monied classes continue to dominate the social and political structures of our country. Due to the involvement of tribal influential in the gory incident, no FIR was registered. It was only after one and a half month that the Balochistan High Court took a suo moto action and ordered the registration of a FIR.

However, the Quetta High Court has already disposed of the case as DPOs and the local administration denied that any such incidents took place in the area. The Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) investigated the case and brought irrefutable evidence to the public attention to prove that this human tragedy did in fact take place. They have already sent the case with all the supporting evidence to the United Nations Court of Human Rights. Our Senate finally passed a resolution to condemn the incident and has set up an inquiry committee to investigate the case. However, no one from the civil society or human rights organisations is invited to be on this committee.

The public uproar regarding the incident and the statements made by the two Baloch Senators, is highly justified. However it is important for us to understand why the male elite in tribal, feudal and sardari cultures is so obsessed with controlling women`s lives and their sexuality. This will help to come up with a more informed and comprehensive response to such incidents.

  • As we know, by means of "Culture" a society is developed and make it different from other societies, by this angle, should we condemn it or not?
  • In this modern era, such criminal acts have cultural value or not?
  • Was it a "Cultural" or "Moral" act?
  • Reader Comments:

    IGNORANCE

    THIS IS THE MOST HORRIBLE INCIDENT I EVER NOTICED IN MODERAN CIVILISED WORLD,BUT I THINK PAKISTAN ISNOT CIVILISED NATION ANYMORE,I THINK CRIMINAL SHOULD BE PUNISHED SAME WAY THEY DID TO THOSE INNOCENT WOMEN.IN PAKISTAN IGNORANCE AND RELIGIOUS FANATICISM RUNS TOGETHER,, cold blooded and barbaric honor killing of five innocent women in Balochistan is another black spot on nation's character. There is no place in a modern society for such medieval and brutal customs, all this is happening because Pakistani elite club never cared about educating people, Pakistani elite and bourgeois kept their nation in dark so they can steal nation's wealth.If Education was introduced aggressively,there would be no need of religious madressa orthis kind of madness.

    Mwaqar, United Kingdom - 03 September, 2008

    Is murder of individuals who have committed no crime a a "cultural" or "moral" act? Why are the perpetrators still allowed their freedom?

    Helmut Kah, United Kingdom - 03 September, 2008

    Your Questions

    To answer your questions:

    1. These crimes against humanity must be condemned.

    2. Not.

    3. No.

    Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
    "Reclaiming Honor in Jordan"
    http://www.redroom.com/author/ellen-r-sheeley

    ERS, Finland - 04 September, 2008

    bURYING WOMEN ALIVE.

    Unless they have WIN(WOMEN IN NEEED)houses for these very desperate for death women, it is not going to work. Blames and counter blames are just useless ploys.

    A woman or girl pregnant without getting married has no reason to live in some societies or tribal systems. Even these girls or women would prefer to die rather than live unless they are removed away from their people and encouraged to live on.

    Honour killing is very prevalent in Arab world and in Iran and Pakistan too has examples as well.In Syria in many areas, a girl would herself hand over knife to her brother and request him to finish her life off for dis-honouring the family's honour.

    They need WIN HOUSES all over the country and killing a girl for any reason should be outlawed regardless of tribal system or not.

    The WIN houses then should be open to husband suiters or sympathizers.

    A LOVE GIRL WILL SURE ATTRACT MEN REGARDLESS OF WHAT SHE DID.

    Anwar Mahmood, Canada - 04 September, 2008

    Follow the Quran

    The police in Pakistan is ineffective as the best officers are murdered. The remainder of the officers learn to obey the politicians. Thus there is no rule of law in Pakistan. There are no individual rights.

    Imran Khan, Pakistan - 05 September, 2008

    Act of Dangerous / Extremist Mullahs


    This is a very fundamental issue in tribal areas. The Holy Quran teaches one thing and the local mullahs teach differently. The wrong interpretation of Holy Quran by an uneducated, uncivilized mullah could lead Pakistan to a total destruction. Some time back, in the same paktribune, claimed to be an (un)educated, self proclaimed mullah from Calgary, Canada was writing poems, offering 72 Virgins for martyrs, which is not mentioned any where in Holy Quran or hadith (teaching of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)). Sorry to say, these kind of mullahs to be put aside of main stream and we shouldn't provide an opportunity for them to poison people. These are the end results of promoting such ignorant, uneducated, uncivilized Mullahs, likes one from Calgary.

    Big “NO” to all the questions!





    Jones, Canada - 05 September, 2008

    Thou shalt not kill

    The Arabs have "Misyar" Or travellers marriage cum pleasure and the Iranians have "Mutah" for similar reasons. When certified by the mullah in Iran or Saudi Arabia these "low profile" yet well serving purpose of some beastly urge of un-controllable humans, these both marriages within religion's pleasure bond, men and women are free to enjoy and woman even get pregnant without any recourse of deadly punishment of stoning to death.

    But, Pakistan unfortunately is devoid of either "Arabic Misyar" or Iranian "Mutah".

    "Misyar" Or Mutah are the protection of woman against such cruel eventuality and blames.

    Many girls and women,who get pregnant outside the wedlock in Pakistan and outside die because the country does not facilitate Arabic Misyar or Shia Mutah.I will never forget two or three fates of some very pretty girls that I happened to see personally and with my own eyes in the first 22-23 years of my life in Pakistan and before I migrated to Canada in the end of 1966.

    One incident was when I was just a boy and I used to visit a village in the company of my father to enjoy eating fruits and bring home sweet gur back to city as we had good friendship with some people in the village.I used to see few girls teasing a very pretty girl who was only thirteen or fourteen and had very fair complexion with some greenish eyes.The girl belonged to a poor man and had been made pregnant by the son of a rich land owner.The girl's friend girls teased her even physically that she had only months of life to live.The beauty too used to laugh it away saying that she knew that soon her brother or father will stab that knife of death into her willing to die body.Well, few months later,I did see it happen.On my later visit, I saw police having hand cuffed her brother as her decapitated and cut up beautiful body lay on ground with blood soaked sheet covering her.I felt very sad and could'nt eat for days as I had begun to like, even love and sympathize with the beauty when I heard what was in store as her fatal fate.Her blood soaked face and shining yet dead green eyes made me cry with tears.The police was talking that her brother will get off the hook as it was honour killing and she deserved the fate.Sadly, every body looked happy.

    An other incident happened was when the train,I was riding, came to screeching halt near Lahore.Every body got off the train and saw the gruesome sight of a teen age, again very pretty looking girl's body lay cut in pieces across the rail track. Her,before marriage pregnancy was quite visible from her cut up body with her pieces of liver, heart, lungs and guts scattered all over.The train had put stop for half hour as her body pieces were picked up by the authorities and police.Most of such girls are very pretty and almost all illiterate and daughters of poor parents.every illiterate girl in Pakistan or outside has no knowledge of any thing else except her pretty body, which can be exploited for spoils to death intentions of the evil out there.

    Even the WIN (WOMEN IN NEED)houses in Iran are failing and Mutah is being encouraged in WIN houses.The pretty girl or woman's big need is not food for her stomach or clothes to cover her bare self.Her big necessity is man,who brings her the physical pleasure by any means and Mutah and Misyar are the safest modes of that divine and natural lust of a woman's body and a man's live projectile.We knew an Iranian beauty living in Lebanon's Sunni Beka valley.This young girl named Shaharzadi and her sister's dad had not so good paid ordeerly job in a hospital.But, these two very pretty sisters, through lavish exercising of Mutah, were driving brand new pidgeot car.Mutah or Misyar can be lavishly and richly rewarding when practised for greed.But, when needed desperately, just a very affordable for all and fist full of rice can and will make it happen to save the pretty poor girl's life.

    I would say that it is traveller's marriage in Saudi Arabia or Iran much so.Even in Lebanon, Syria or Jordan, it does happen and the girl escapes death penalty.Certified by mullah, it makes it safe for all.

    What has happened in Baluchistan is cruelty.what can a pretty and naive illiterate daughter of a poor peasant can do, when the wolf son of a rich land owner feudalist is voracious to eat her raw through sex and pleasure.

    AND DO NOT FORGET THAT POOR MAN'S PRETTY GIRLS OR WOMEN ARE WEAK WILLED,POORLY DEFENDED,HEAVILY COERCED AND INTRUDED TO SURRENDER HER HONOUR EVEN IF IT MEANS ULTIMATE DEATH TO HER.

    SHE MUST BE PROTECTED BY THE LAW AND THE AUTHORITIES.IF THAT CANNOT BE DONE, THEN DO WHAT THE ARABS AND THE IRANIANS ACCOMODATE THE NATURAL HUMAN LUST THROUGH MUTAH OR MISYAR.

    WHO CARES IF MISYAR OR MUTAH GIRLS OR WOMEN ARE LOW PROFILED IN MANY STUPID EYES.IN FACT, THESE EASY TO PLEASURE UPON SOULS ARE READILY ACCESSIBLE FOR PLEASURE REACH OF BOTH--THE WANT AND THE WANTING.

    NO WONDER PERSIAN SHAHRZADI AND HER SIS WERE VERY POPULAR IN LEBANON.




    Anwar Mahmood, Canada - 05 September, 2008

    Honour killing

    Millions(some estimates are as high as 15 million)babies are aborted and killed each year in America alone as cause of out of wedlock pleasured sex.But, they have common law marriage or even free lance pre- marriage sex system more free than even Mutah or Misyar and is never ever punished.Even the girl's father in America or Canada drives his daughter to the hospital in his car and request the doctor to perform abortion on her daughter's pregnant body.The religion tried to stop it in the west, but the human desire upheld its pleasured will, wish, desire and lust.

    That is ok as human lust, specially amongst people with lots of energy and lust upheld the religious rules set centuries ago in the western world.

    Every major society in the world has tried to accomodate human lust.The Arabs Misyar, Iranian Mutah and Turkish legalized prostitution on cleanly kept and medically examined and safe to pleasure upon girls and women makes it easy outlet for the wanting and the want in Turkey.

    Turkey had influx of Europeans-- men joining the Jan Nisari military ranks and their blue eyed European sisters coming as belly dancers and pleasure girls during sole super and super power and hey days of Turkey's Ottoman empire.These very fair skinned girls even became gypsies to maximize their pleasure giving capacity, while their brothers were Islamacized christian soldiers like Atta Turk.One very famous personality and Turkey's sweet heart belly dancer/actress and songstress named Sibal Jan can steal any body's heart through her summer sky bright blue eyes and very gorgeous looks.My Turkish lady friends in Canada tease me by calling Sibal as Anwar's Sibal Jan.Few years ago, Sibal Jan was jailed while gone stark nude in public and the Turkish ladies did me the jokingly kidding as:

    "Look Anwar, what ur Sibal Jan is doing these days."

    Normal and main stream Turkish girls do not do skin show dancing. It is those blue eyed European calling self gypsies guirls from Ottoman glory days, when Suleiman's Ottoman empire and Akbar-Jehangir times gave Islam the grandest period of history ever known to any sole super power.Between Ottomans and Mughals in Jehangir- Akbar days, Islamic sole super power had one third of world's population and more than 70 percent of the world's wealth that not even Romans, Persians, Brits or the Americans have ever seen in their grandest of grand sole super power days.

    The only way to stop honour killing and still obeying Quran is to do what the Arabs, Iranians and Turks do.Misyar and Muttah will keep many of us men and those women satisfied.If we have to go to Iran or Lebanon for Mutah and Saudi Arabia for Misyar, why not have same privilege in Pakistan.Abortion like America or free lance legalized prostitution in Turkey may be steps ahead.But an average Mutah for 200 dollars per one or two weeks with a very pretty Shia girl in Iran, Lebanon or Syria or Iraq is tempting.Similarly, the Saudis pride in their ability to afford Misyar with lovely Syrian girl is paradise to them.In Pakistan, them women have to loose their life for the same ritual of pleasurables in pleasure.Turks have blue eyed gypsies for pleasure reasons.And also, they do not kill any of their daughter if she happens to break the taboo of strict morality.Those girls of down ladder morality from noble homes are simply told to leave the house and them pretty and sex tried girls find a place in legalized brothel.You see many of them kicked out of their home beauties dying to marry their customers in every brothel of Turkey.I was told that most population of those truckling, grovelling and love into marriage importuning Turkish girls were the kicked out girls from normal or noble homes.Once a normal Turkish girl does the out of wedlock sex ritual, her place lies in brothel and then an accepting good husband, if she can suck him into marriage deal out of her brothel abode.

    Saudis do not have such pak like tragedies as they practice Misyar.It may not be marriage of choice, but it is marriage of need and convenience, but most Saudis, and rich Saudis for sure, give it a pleasured try on Misyar.Those 70-75 years old Saudis are enjoying Misyar with 16-20 years young pretty girls.Same way, Iranian man won't be desperate and deprived as even the girls in WIN( WOMEN IN NEED)houses have made it known that their ritual need is Mutah or Nikah pleasure with man rather than not so important things like clothes and food that the government finances them free in WIN house.Like a girl told me as such:

    "I do not want food or clothings or any gift.I want to have a man with me for human nature ritual- through Mutah and preferably Nikah."

    IN THE ABSENCE OF MISYAR OR MUTAH OR NIKAH, POOR AND MISERABLY FATED PAK GIRLS HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES.

    LOSS OF EACH SUCH WOMAN IS LIKE PLEASURE PARADISE LOST FOR EVER.

    WHO IS TO BLAME--YES WE ALL.MISYAR AND MUTAH COULD HAVE NOT ONLY SAVED THOSE PRETTY LIVES, BUT MADE MANY OF US PLEASURED HAPPY.

    Anwar Mahmood, Canada - 06 September, 2008

    honour killing

    The noble teachings of Islam have been confused by the tribal customs engraved in ancient beliefs and traditions. This has given a terrible name to Islam in the world. Because of these stupid criminal customs that the entire non Muslim world begins to dread at the very name Muslim. To them muslim means someone who is ready to murder. A very violent bad person. Pakistan was created as a Muslim State from the ominous threats of the extreme Hindu factions who were hovering around destroy the last remaining power of the Muslims. It was for this reason that the Qaid was apprehensive and decided to opt for a Muslim homeland before the entire legacy of the Muslim culture and tradition is lost,. But unfortunately after the creation the Qaid did not live long enough to supervise its development. Pakistan became an uncontrolled country. The rich took advantage and lived on to implement their own rules and laws. As Mr Waqar remarks that 'this is all happening because pakistan elite club never cared to educate its people'. Instead of lifting the poverty and unequal status of their countrymen Paistani leaders were hell bent on amassing fortunes rather than improving Pakistan's status in the world. We cannot however deny that certain reforms were implemented in the time of ZA Bhutto who took the country forward by aligning Pakistan with the Middle east. His remarkable relationship with China too helped Pakistan to remain militarily and technollgically confident. At the same time he kept up his relationship with the West.
    Unfortunately al pakistanis have not understood Islam as was mentioned by one of the commentators that the Mullahs misinterpreted this noble religion. Islam is a peaceful religion which encourages forgiveness,charity and knowledge. But all these have never been implemented in Pakistan except maybe n slight cases. People like Edhi are the real Muslims and will surely go to heaven.The Muslims of the UP and the South of India who became members of the New nation overnight were examples of educated cahmpions but were wrongly treated by the successive regimes. If these educated elite only implemented compulsory education and taught true Islam in Pakistan without the sad intrepetation by the Mullahs then Pakistan would not have been in the stage it is today. Instead of condemning the west all the time it is also good to learn from it many things. Today the West is following Islam unknowingly and Pakistan is still corrupted and jahil.
    Musharaf was right in many ways as he wanted to take Pkistan in the modern direction. He was the right man for Pakistan but he too over behaved with his over strict behaviour in the Lal Masjid disaster. This is a shame as it gives our enemies laugh at out plight.
    Pakistanis must understand about islam first before they call themselves Muslims. They should remember that they should be Muslms first before they call themselves pakistanis.


    Rezan, United Arab Emirates - 06 September, 2008

    Back to the stone-age

    Before participating in this discussion, I would like to ask some basic questions about our way of life that is Islam:



    1) We all accept that, Qur'an is the ultimate code of "Islamic Way of Life” and Islam having dawned about 1,400 years ago and promised by the Ultimate Creator, to provide answers to all emerging questions faced by the Mankind, for all times to come till the Judgment Day. Therefore, by implication, Islam has to be a constantly progressive code. How our so called learned Ullemas would comply with this requirement of constantly changing time manifestations? One important requirement concerning women is Hadood which literally mean LIMITS, which have to encompass all emerging situations in time. How to limit The Limits?

    2) Islam has adequately provided mechanism to regularly redefine its detailed provisions in the code of life with an over-riding condition that, it would not violate the basic essence of Islam encoded in Qur'an. This is a delicate issue, for which universal consensus is required. Mujadideens are promised to come periodically and do this job. Since Mujadid is not a prophet, he has to come from within the greater Islamic brotherhood. Are our Ullema ready to concede on this point? Would they agree to accept any such person having universal recognition from anywhere in the world as the Mujadid to provide answers to all emerging issues while remaining within the essence of Quranic injunctions?

    3) Islam is a DYNAMIC code of life and Qur'an defines life with MOVEMENT, a fact unequivocally confirmed by modern Science as we know that, every celestial body is constantly moving in the this constantly "Expanding Universe" in a programmed balance on the upper side, while on the lower side, we know every atom comprises of moving internal structure of components in a very strong and forcefully rigid regime of controlled forces.

    4) We should realise that, Qur'an identifies DEATH with SAKUT which means devoid of MOVEMENT. Therefore, any situation devoid of MOVEMENT or CHANGE is DEATH. Natural derivative of this explanation proves that, Islam is a dynamic code of life providing changes to accommodate all emerging situations in time, so as to satisfy all day to day developing and emerging issues related to the every day "Way of Life", WITHOUT COMPROMISING BASIC INJUNCTIONS PROVIDED IN THE HOLY QUR'AN. Can our Ullema agree no this definition with their lack of adequate scientific knowledge?

    5) To be a Mujadid, one has to be completely selfless, meaning not to have an iota of personal interest or stakes involved. Can we claim and agree to have such a person in our visible horizon? Can our Ullema search, agree and bring to light, one such person from the entire Muslim fraternity?

    6) Women are given half weight-age in Islam as witnesses in comparison with men. This implies that, they at least deserve 50% right in all legal matters. Can our Ullema agree on providing this right and allow a 50 % say to the women folk even in the matters related to their own affairs, especially in making and implementing laws about women and protecting their legal rights?



    Current barbaric crimes against women in Pakistan and shameless insistence of our law makers in projecting traditional customs being higher than religious provisions concerning women, is clearly a non Islamic rigidly of pre-Islam image portrayal, trying to confine women within the preliminary definitions ruled and framed under the exigencies existing before the advent of Islam over 1,400 years ago, when new born girls were buried alive in the name of protecting family honour which they thought was capable of being in dangers at the hands of "less human: gender which they thought women were. Today, we are even worse than the nomadic era of pre-dawn of Islam. Our actions amount to burying women emancipation and their right to grow with time, in defiance with the teaching of Qur'an and Sunnah. Knowing well how our so called Ullema would react to these questions, as according to our own famous saying, "Two Mullahs can never successfully slaughter a chicken", could never be expected to provide logical and convincing answer to any of these questions. To expect them agreeing with the essence of Dynamic ( Living) Islam, and get it through the arena of Islamic World, not to speak of the world at large, is a much bigger task. (Cont'd)


    M.Saeed, Pakistan - 08 September, 2008

    Back to the stone-age

    In their present dispensation, these Mullahs are not expected to understand Dynamism of Islam, not to talk about successfully educating the world about it. Islam is failing today because of the grave incompetence and rigidly stagnant stances of our Ullema. They cannot succeed in the contemporary world without highest level of education and religious research. In the meantime, as we cannot hold the world to stop its fast development with time till we grow wiser and reach to a consensus, we should initiate efforts in developing scientific approach in understanding and making Islam a truly dynamic and practical way of life. This would also effectively remove the terror of Islam which its enemies are creating with sinister aims of pushing Muslims into the stone-age, obviously because they cannot afford to allow a second experience of Spain through Renaissance of Islam. Let us rise from slumber and be realistic.














    M.Saeed, Pakistan - 08 September, 2008

    Buried Alive

    The feeling of horror and dread I felt reading about the killing of young women for sexual "violations" is impossible to describe. In my own country, America, this barbaric practice above all others excites pure contempt for any society or religion that could condone it. This is the problem we face: how can we "respect" a religion that places so little value on the lives and living conditions of poor young women?

    Mike Havenar, Pakistan - 09 September, 2008

    Misyar or Mutah

    No body is saying that a wrong like this in Pakistan is right. A wrong is wrong any where and crime can never be equated to no crime.

    It is unfortunate that a crime like that has happened in Pakistan. But, it is even equally or more unfortunate about things like criminals in America had been caught with like keeping cut flesh pieces of women bodies in deep freezers and even eating their flesh to save on regular animal meat expenses. Similar things had happened in Russia and some other countries.

    An evil is evil whether it happens in Pakistan or America or Canada or Russia or elsewhere.

    Pakistan has to let happen sex with legalized outlets to prevent the repeat of such crime.Saudi Misyar or traveller's marriage is the one such ooutlet that happens with not much social out cast disparagement.At least it gives sex outlet for the more frustrated.A busy man can get by physically without women. A PhD, a doctor ,an engineer or a chartered accountant will never indulge into forced sex or rape or killing of woman.A less educated man is more apt to commit such crime. An illiterate woman is more likely to rush into pleasured experience as her poor knowledge of any thing else other than her body's pleasured capabilities can prod and prompt her to indulge into body intercourse regardless of consequences.A few moments of horny desirous interactions can make her put even death as marginalized consequence compared to the immediate pleasure that the sexual intercourse will bring.Or a horny and hell bent on committing crime male of criminal mind has got to do the sex act even if it brings ultimate death to the girl or poor woman.

    So, the Saudis and other Arabs have made Misyar as legal like Quran permitting of laundis.This takes off the sex act pressure as the out let is there-at cost or cheaply free depending on the desire and willingness.It is very common and widely exercised amongst thousands of princes and millions of affording Saudis.

    Misyar of the Arabs or the common law marriage or even girl friend-boyfriend interact of the western world has more or less same social strata.in America or the west, millions abortions or the killing of unborn babies go with the pleasured outlet of the wild young.

    In Iran, there is Mutah, even though Mutah marriage there is kind of social out cast.Mutah is accepted legally, but it is not the regular marriage like Nikah.

    In Jeddah Saudi Arabia, I found and heard about Misyar as a socially not discouraged or not to be down graded in social acceptability.In UAE and Bahrain, I saw Saudis as most wanting of Asian women, who have made Dubai and Bahrain look more pleasured places than even Paris or London or New York.

    But in Iran, as I found few months ago that Mutah was legal as temporary marriage.I had chance to sniff it out only in Mashed as I was too busy in Tehran with my gas engineering sessions in the capital city.Iranians had paid for my trips and paid my hotel and flights to Mashed as well.But, I can tell you that Mutah brides are not allowed in high end hotels there.Even though my good quality high end hotel was paid, I was told that the Mutah bride was not allowed there.Even the Iranians staying in that high end hotel had to spend Mutah honeymoon in some cheaply hotels three or four blocks away. High end hotels do not accept Mutah brides to stay there no matter how much pretty or normal looking that Persian girl may be.Even the best Mullah's certification of Mutah marriage won't let u or ur mutah bride into higher end hotels for mutah honeymoon.You may rent a house if you want to enjoy mutah marriage or else you stay in cheaply hotels with your mutah bride.

    BUT STILL MUTAH KEEPS THE CRIME LIKE THIS IN BALOCHISTAN AWAY FROM HAPPENING.WHEN YOU LOVE THAT MUTAH WED WOMAN FOR WEEK OR DAY OR MONTH, YOU DON'T MIND LIVING IN A HUT, LET ALONE A CHEAP SEEDY HOTEL.ONCE YOU GET EASY DISCHARGE OUTLET, YOU DO NOT COMMIT CRIME.

    I THINK PAKS SHOULD LEGALIZE MISYAR AND MUTAH LIKE SAUDIS AND IRANIANS AND I CAN BET THAT CRIME WILL DIS-APPEAR.YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT WOMEN BEING PLEASURED UPON ONLY WITH NO KILLING AS TRAGIC EVENTUALITY.

    I THINK IT WILL BE WISE TO HAVE MISYAR OR MUTAH IN PAKISTAN.I KNOW WHERE I WAS FAILING, THE IRANIANS STAYING IN THE SAME HIGH END HOTEL IN MASHAD, THE IRANIANS COULD EASILY SNIFF OUT MUTAH DESIREE GIRLS-WOMEN AMONGST TENS OF THOUSANDS DEVOTEES WALKING AROUND IMAM REZA HAREM.AND MUTAH GIRLS OR WOMEN WERE EXTREMELY PRETTY TOO.IT HELPS IF YOU KNOW FARSI AS ILLITERATE OR LESS EDUCATED IRANIAN GIRLS ARE BEST INTO MUTAH MARRIAGES.A LESS EDUCATED OR ILLITERATE WOMAN HAS HER BODY AS THE MAIN KNOWLEDGE AND POSSESSION.WHO WANTS INTELLIGENT AND EDUCATED TALKS WHEN THE ILLITERATES OR LESS EDUCATED KNOW ONLY ABOUT THEIR BODIES AND BEAUTY AND GIVE A DAM TO THE WORLD'S USELESS INTELLIGENCE AND LIFE OF MATERIALISM.IN MUTAH, THE BODY TALKS, WHILE THE EDUCATED DO THE BRAIN TALKING.

    GET MISYAR OR MUTAH LEGALIZED TO ELIMINATE CRIME AGAINST WOMEN OF PAKISTAN.

    Anwar Mahmood, Canada - 10 September, 2008

    We are still in Jahalat Era

    In this busy time when President Musharraf was being pushed into by PPP and PML(N),occured a most deplorabale and brutal event in Baluchistan.I am talking of burial alive of five women in Baluchistan.Horrified one be, at knowing this event but listening the comments of Tribal and Political leaders over defending these events.If these Baloch and Pashtun maniacs want to confine themselves into era of Jahalat,they can but they should not be allowed to such practices in modern world.One can expect the fate of nation seeing shameless defense of this heinous crime against humanity on Parliament.What is PPP doing ,the liberal democrats and champions of Women rights.Rathar than mitigating the influence of such crime by stating "only 3 women were killed not five",Rehman Malik should straighteraway order strict action against the culprits.Will you only act,when America push you to do so???Last but not the least to mention,I have not seen a major condemnation from top leadership of any political or religious party except Muttihida Qaumi Movement, the party that has been projected as terrorist by people who defend such heinous incidents of honour killing

    Shumail Mazahir, Pakistan - 10 September, 2008

    Answers to Questions

    I am answering to your questions as such:

    As we know, by means of "Culture" a society is developed and make it different from other societies, by this angle, should we condemn it or not?

    Answer:
    I think this is sad admix of hindu culture and early Islamic punishment.Hindu culture is very much prevalent in much of Pakistan and it requires very heavy, even prohibitive dowries and then a fatal divorce if it does take place.In many cases, the divorced girl commits suicide and her relatives even suffer to same or lesser extent.That is hindu culture for Pakistanis.An other equally tragic inheritence of hindu culture by Paks is the rape of poor man's daughter or woman by the privileged men.The forced rape is the historic pleasuring on poor daughters of the lower caste families by the free lancing rape by the upper caste men.The lower caste women were killed off in hindu culture as well. In Pakistan, only revenge notion of killing the girl is done on an early islamic rules.

    BUT, NO BODY TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT THESE ISLAMIC RULES WERE APPLIED WHILE MISYAR OR MUTAH WAS ALSO AVAILABLE AS OPTION AND THERE IS ENOUGH MENTION OF LAUNDIS OR SLAVE GIRLS AS THE TIME PERMITTED.ANY ONE, WHO RAPES A WOMAN, WHEN HE COULD HAVE THE POOR SOUL AS LAUNDI WAS NEEDED TO BE PUNISHED ACCORDING TO THAT TIME.THE VERY USELESS INDIAN FILMS RUN ON THE THEMES OF RAPES OF WOMEN.

    ISLAMIC COUNTRIES HAVE MUTAH AND MISYAR AVAILABLE NOW AND WAS ALLWAYS AVAILABE IN THE PAST.ARABS HAVE MISYAR AND IRANIANS HAVE MUTAH. THE TURKS DO BOTH IN DIFFERENT MODES IN VERY MODERN WAYS.I THINK PATHANS IN PAKISTAN HAVE CULTURE MORE SIMILAR TO THE ARABS AND THE PERSIANS.THE LEBANESE AND SYRIANS HAVE MUTAH AS WELL AS MISYAR AVAILABLE TO THEM.IN A WAY, IT IS CHANCE FOR THE UNDERPRIVILEGED GIRL TO BRING FINANCIAL FORTUNE OR REWARD FOR HER STRUGGLING FAMILY.IT IS SHARING OF GOD GIVEN BLESSING OF WEALTH BY THE PRIVILEGED AND THE BEAUTY AND ATTRACTION AND WANT POSSESSING WOMAN.A MULLAH CERTIFIED WOMAN PRACTICING MISYAR OR MUTAH IS NEVER KILLED OR PUNISHED.THESE WOMEN OR GIRLS OF WANT RATHER GET POPULAR IN CERTAIN EYES OF THE WANTING.THIS IS WANT VERSES THE WANTING.

    DIVORCE IS NOT A SAD ISSUE IN THE ISLAMIC CULTURE AS IT IS IN THE HINDU ONE.IN THIS SAD TRAGEDY, THE ROOT AND THE CAUSE ARE BOTH DERIVED FROM HINDU CULTURE THAT IS STILL PREVALENT IN PAKISTAN.THE CASTE SYSTEM AND THE COST RELATED DIFFICULTY OF MARRYING OFF A POOR WOMAN ALONG WITH ALMOST UN-PROHIBITIVE, EVEN FATAL STIGMA OF DIVORCE OF HINDU CULTURE, HAS DONE THE TRICK IN THIS TRAGEDY TO TAKE PLACE.BRING IN MISYAR AND MUTAH AND GET RID OF HINDU CULTURE RELATED THINGS.DO THE INDIANS REPORT ABOUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF THOUSANDS OF POOR LOW CASTE MAN'S DAUGHTERRS RAPED AND KILLED.DO THE AMERICANS REPOERT ABOUT MILLIONS OF UNBORN BABIES KILLED THROUGH ABORTION OF THE PREGNANT UN-MARRIED GIRLS OR WOMEN.

    In this modern era, such criminal acts have cultural value or not?

    Answer:

    The world has changed itself with time.

    CRIME AGAINST POOR HAS DIFFERENT STATUS COMPARED TO CRIME AGAINST RICH ALL OVER THE WORLD.EVEN IN AMERICA, A POOR MAN CANNOT EVEN AFFORD TO GO TO COURT FOR JUSTICE.BUT, LET US STICK TO OUR REGION AS THIS TRAGEDY HAS HAPPENED THERE.

    THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE IF YOU CAN DO AWAY WITH TWO THINGS.FIRST IS THE MARRIAGE-DIVORCE MADE INTO COST PROHIBITIVE STIGMA AND THE FAMILY SHATTERING DIVORCE IF IT HAPPENS TO BE.THE SECOND EVIL IS THE, PREVALENT FROM HINDU CULTURE AND THE COLONIAL ERA, FEUDAL AND LAND LORDSHIP.ALL FEUDAL AND LAND LORDS DO NOT ACT SAINTLY.IN MANY CASES IN INDIA OR IN PAKISTAN, A POOR PEASANT WILL HIMSELF OFFER HIS DAUGHTER OF WANT TO BE PLEASURED UPON BY HIS LAND OWNING MASTER.AFTER THE SPOILS ARE DONE, THE POOR WEAK GIRL BEARS THE REVENGE OF GETTING KILLED OFF BY HER OWN MALE RELATIVES WITH NO FAULT OF HER AT ALL IN THE RITUAL TRANSACTION OF SEX ON HER.

    I KNOW A LAND OWNING FRIEND OF MINE EVEN DIED OF EXCESSIVE WOMAN MONGERING ON PEASANTS DAUGHTERS, WHO WERE READILY AVAILABLE TO HIM.THE CRAZY MAN DIED OF SEX RELATED DISEASE AS TOO MUCH SEX GOT HIM.

    MUTAH OR MISYAR WILL HELP.BUT EVEN INDIA FAILED TO GET RID OF ITS THOUSANDS YEARS OLD CAST SYSTEM. GETTING RID OF FEUDAL SYSTEM TO SOME EXTENT WAS DONE BY HEAVY INDUSTRIALIZATION.AT LEAST PAKS HAVE GOT THEIR TATA, BIRLA AND AMBANI BROTHERS IN NAWAZ SHARIF, WHO IS AT LEAST CREATING JOBS FOR PEOPLE THROUGH HIS INDUSTRIES.LAND LORD AND POOR PEASANTS BEHAVING AS MASTER SLAVE IS VERY AKIN TO, EVEN DERIVATIVE OF CASTE SYSTEM.

    Was it a "Cultural" or "Moral" act?

    THE WOMAN AS WANT AND MEN AS WANTING ARE BEYOND CULTURE AND MORAL THINGS.YOU ARE TALKING OF HUMAN NATURE OF ENJOYING EACH OTHER.EVEN THE IMPOTENT KHUSRAS MANAGE TO HAVE DRY SEX.ONLY THE VERY EDUCATED AND THE BUSY IN EVERY WAY AND SENSE ARE INCAPACITATED TO INDULGE INTO WANT AND DESIRE OF PLEASURING UPON THE OPPOSITER SEX.EVEN THEM DO IT THROUGH THOUGHTS AND MASTERBATION AS BIOLOGICAL NECESSITY.

    MISYAR AND MUTAH WILL HELP PAKS,EVEN US VISITORS.


    Anwar Mahmood, Canada - 10 September, 2008

    Backward Mind

    It is a heinous crime committed in this most backward state of Pakistan. Irony is responsible senator from this state defend this barbaric act that shows their mentality. We should condemn it with full force. I do not know why one insane can defend it in the name of some sort of Haram culture.
    In Moslem world, especially Pakistan, the status of women is deplorable and are not allowed to live the way they want to. In the western world, when someone talks about status of moslem women in Pakistan, it is very difficult to defend Pakistani or moslem views regarding women. One can understand how humiliated a Pakistani feels on this issue.

    Lai Khan Husain


    Lai Khan Husain, United Kingdom - 11 September, 2008

    Human flesh in the freezer?

    Of course what happened to those ladies is beyond deplorable. Why don't all Mothers everywhere teach their sons that it is cowardly to hurt women in any way? That includes beating them. It might help if all boys were be told that someday they will be bigger and stronger than a woman - that doesn't they will be smarter. But since they will probably be bigger and stronger, they should not hit girls or woman when they are grown. It's cowardly...

    Ah, Mr. Mahmood - you think in the U.S. we keep little pieces of human flesh in our freezers to save us from having to buy regular meat too often?

    Excuse me?

    Ayasha, USA

    Ayasha, United Kingdom - 11 September, 2008

    Curse on Pakistan

    We are cursed nation, Let me prove this why. This is lawless nation. We have no institutions who worked according to the need of this nation. We have parliament and have no idea how to perform. We have serious issues and politicians think we don't have to be worried. Nation have no faith in police, Laws, and Parliament don't perform, how a person must act in uncertain situation. I think it is time now people to think that we must all work together not individually. Secondly law must prevail and we must take quick action to prevent this to happen. How? May be I may ask Mr Iftikhar Chowdry who is the hero of law and stand up against the power. What example we need to see from him to help change the attitude of every Pakistani, so law prevail, so institutions start working properly. I am hoping that every think tank who want to contribute must stand up. These politician have nothing to say in this than they have no right to stay in the government.

    Aslam Sheikh, Pakistan - 11 September, 2008


    Ayasha,

    Forget about “all mothers everywhere teach their sons that it is cowardly to hurt women in any way”. I would say that the most important needs for the very moment is, apply some masking tape on this coward, extreme mullah Anwar Mahmood' stupid mouth.

    Human flesh is in his freezer, not anywhere else.




    Jones, Canada - 11 September, 2008

    Jones eats own bones

    From spirits and sprays
    To human stored flesh
    The mad Jones guesses
    He's mad afresh

    This crazy mad Jones
    He eats own bones
    He is madder than hell
    That all can tell

    His mind is so crazy
    With thoughts so hazy
    Confused is Jones
    He eats own bones

    This Anwar is cat
    And Jones is rat
    That down hole deep
    Rat Jones can keep

    Jones had one chance
    For rat hole dance
    There comes terminator
    Jones's exterminator

    He sprays down deep
    Jones rat does weep
    Shoved down are pills
    Of poison that kills

    Cat's wish fulfills
    And Anwar got thrills
    The exterminator said
    Rat Jones is dead










    Anwar Mahmood, Canada - 12 September, 2008

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