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Musharraf Prepares the Military for his Civilian Presidency

25 September, 2007

By Tauseef Zahid


Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf appointed a new head of Pakistan's top intelligence agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), on Sept. 21 and promoted several two-star generals to three-star rank. Though they are part of an ongoing and routine reshuffle, these changes to the army's top brass come as Musharraf prepares to step down as military chief in an attempt to secure his re-election as president. The retirements and appointments of generals are designed to ensure Musharraf's continued control over the military. The new ISI chief, meanwhile, will have his hands full as he tries to deal with a growing desire to live under Islam in Pakistan

According to a Sept. 21 press release from the military's media department. Maj. Gen. Nadeem Taj was promoted to lieutenant general and appointed ISI director-general, Inter-Services Public Relations said. Outgoing Director-General Lt. Gen. Ashfaq Kayani is expected to be promoted to a full general and appointed the new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC). Taj is one of six major-generals who were promoted to three-star rank and given new posts; Maj. Gen. Mohsin Kamal was appointed to the key post of commander of the Rawalpindi-based 10th Corps, and Pakistani English daily The News reported Sept. 19 that Maj. Gen. Nasir Janjua had been promoted and appointed director-general of military operations.

These initial changes are part of the reshuffle triggered by the scheduled retirement of the current vice chief of army staff and the CJCSC on Oct. 7. Contrary to his usual style, this time around Musharraf is promoting and appointing the top generals in stages, which is understandable given that he wants to time the changes in the military leadership with his own re-election in the presidential vote slated for Oct. 6. In order to remain president, Musharraf needs to reach a political settlement with his opponents, which will require him to step down as military chief.

Musharraf's ability to secure another term depends on the Supreme Court's ruling on the petitions challenging his qualifications to seek re-election, and on whether a chunk of opposition parliament members -- including those from the Pakistan People's Party with whom he is negotiating a power-sharing deal -- resign. Regardless, he is moving along with preparations for the time when he is no longer military chief.

Since Musharraf's power is a function of his position as military chief, he needs to be able to ensure that he can maintain control over the army even after he becomes a civilian president. Formally, he will have this control; the constitution gives the president power to appoint the chiefs of the three armed services. However, since he will not hold the dual offices he has held since he came to power, Musharraf will have to share control with the next chief of army staff. It is well-known that from 1988 to 1999, when the army was not directly ruling the country, the sitting president was the one whose position was in danger during any struggle between rival political forces, because the army chief did not necessarily side with the civilian leader. To get around this problem, Musharraf is appointing and promoting people who will remain loyal to him after he takes a civilian role.

The ISI chief is a critical player in this because of the directorate's historic role in domestic politics. Taj, the new ISI director, is considered one of Musharraf's closest loyalists and could give the president vital support in his new position. Taj previously served as Musharraf's military secretary and as head of Military Intelligence (MI), the country's second-most-powerful intelligence directorate. He also was with Musharraf in the plane that former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif tried to prevent from landing in Pakistan in order to block Musharraf from mounting a coup against him. Additionally, Taj was accompanying the president in his motorcade during the second of two assassination attempts in December 2003.

And we are told Taj played an instrumental role in the 2004 release of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's husband, Asif Zardari. Moreover, Bhutto has a favorable opinion of Taj -- an indication that his appointment as ISI director-general is part of the ongoing Musharraf-Bhutto negotiations.

Loyalty, however, is not the only criterion informing Musharraf's decisions as he appoints top generals. He also needs competent individuals to lead the military at a time when civilian institutions -- the judiciary, media and civil society -- have grown more assertive in the wake of the political crisis stemming from Musharraf's move to sack the country's chief justice. In addition, though a strong military leadership could challenge Musharraf, it is what he needs in order to further his personal and corporate interests. This is why Musharraf has thus far promoted and appointed generals who are known as very competent individuals. Taj was the commandant of the Pakistan Military Academy, and Kamal, the new commander of the 10th Corps, headed the famous Command and Staff College at Quetta and was commander of the sensitive department of Force Command Northern Area.

That said, Pakistan now faces the biggest challenge since its inception: a growing movement for Political Islam. Thus far, the military establishment has been on the defensive regarding an unprecedented wave which is transforming Pakistanis. Political parties such as Hizb ut Tahrir, Tanzeem-e-Islami who are peaceful and calling for the implementation of Sharia or the Caliphate.

The coming political transition is unlikely to foster stability because Musharraf will be sharing power with a civilian prime minister leading a coalition government, and with an army chief. This means the next army chief and the new head of the ISI could be heavily involved in politics at a time when they need to concentrate on obeying Washington orders.

The process of purging Islamic sympathizers within the ranks of the military and the intelligence apparatus has been going on since the 9/11 attacks, but the new ISI chief will not be able to deal with the growing desire for Islam before sealing the leaks in the national security network -- an objective that is not likely to be achieved any time soon. Among other problems, this could create a conflict between Washington and Islamabad over the United States' counterIslam imperatives.

 

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Loot Sale of 3 stars and 4 stars-3
Saturday September 24, 2005

Four three-star Generals

Corps Commander Lahore Lt-Gen Shahid Aziz,

Military Secretary GHQ Lt-Gen Arif Hassan (President Pakistan Olympic Association), Inspector-General Training and Evaluation Lt-Gen Zarar Azim,

Commandant National Defence College Lt-Gen Shahid Hameed - would be retiring from Pakistan Army in a couple of weeks.

The president promoted five major generals as lieutenant generals.

Several majors-general have also been shifted to their new assignments and most prominent was the appointment of
Major-General Shafaat Ahmed as Military Secretary to the president in place of Maj-Gen Shafaat Ullah Shah, who was promoted to the rank of three-star general and appointed Corps Commander Lahore. Maj-Gen Shafaat Ahmed was Defence Attaché in the United States and he commanded 111-Brigade.

1. Maj-Gen Raza Muhammad Khan (DG Operations and Plans),

2. Maj-Gen Masood Aslam (DG NAB Punjab),

3. Maj-Gen Shafaat Ullah Shah (Military Secretary to the President),

4. Maj-Gen Mohammad Hamid Khan (Chief Instructor War Wing NDC) and

5. Maj-Gen Israr Ahmed Ghumman (Chairman HIT and a gem of a person) were promoted as 3-star Generals.

6. However, in this process of promotion, Maj-Gen Ihtesham Zameer (GOC Okara), now posted as DG Infantry, and Maj-Gen Ahmed Nawaz Mela (GOC Pano Aqil) were superseded.

7. Musharraf has also appointed newly promoted lieutenant generals to their new assignments:

8. Maj-Gen Raza Muhammad Khan has been appointed Commandant National Defence College on promotion to succeeded Lt-Gen Shahid Hameed,

9. Maj-Gen Masood Aslam on his promotion was appointed IGT and E in place of Lt-Gen Zarar Azim,

10. Maj-Gen Shafaat Ullah Shah on his promotion was appointed Corps Commander Lahore in place of Lt-Gen Shahid Aziz (who is expected to be appointed as Chairman NAB),

11. Maj-Gen Hamid Khan was appointed as Corps Commander Peshawar in place of Lt-Gen Safdar Hussain. Hussain is shifted to GHQ as Chief of Logistics Staff.

12. Lt-Gen Anis Ahmed Abbasi, presently posted as Chief of Logistics Staff at General Headquarters, has been appointed Corps Commander Gujranwala.

13. Lt-Gen Muhammad Sabir, the present Corps Commander of Gujranwala has been appointed as Military Secretary at General Headquarters.

14. Lt-Gen Safdar Hussain, present Corps Commander Peshawar, has been appointed as Chief of Logistics Staff at the General Headquarters.

15. Major general level, Maj-Gen Bilal Umar from Lahore has shifted to DG Operations and Plans in Joint Staff Headquarters in place of Maj-Gen Raza Khan.

16. Maj-Gen Ihtesham Zameer was shifted from GOC Okara to DG Infantry, while Maj-Gen Mohammad Yaqoob of NDC has been shifted as GOC Okara.

17. Maj-Gen Shahid was shifted from GOC Kharian to Chief Instructor NDC, and Maj-Gen Mohammad Asghar, presently serving as DG Restructuring was sent to Kharian as GOC.

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/sep2005-daily/24-09-2005/main/main3.htm
see Part 4



Earthman, Pakistan - 26 September, 2007

Loot Sale of 3 stars and 4 stars-4
October 03, 2004
Appointments show Musharraf does not intend to shed uniform:

Gen Haq appointed JCSC chairman,

Gen Hayat VCOAS

President Musharraf has also made clear that he does not intend to hang up his uniform on December 31, 2004.

General Haq and General Hayat have superseded six lieutenant generals:

COS to the President Lt-Gen Hamid Javed, Gujranwala Corps Commander Lt-Gen Javed Hasan, NAB Chairman Lt-Gen Munir Hafiz, NDC Commandant Lt-Gen Tariq Waseem Ghazi, Multan Corps Commander Lt-Gen Muhammad Akram and Bahawalpur Corps Commander Lt-Gen SP Shahid.

Of the six superseded lieutenant generals, five are expected to seek pre-mature retirement while Lt-Gen Hamid Javed, who was given an extension for a year, would continue to work as COS to the President. Since Lt-Gen Javed never commanded a corps, the chances of his promotion were not bright. He is due to retire next year on October 4.

Lt-Gen Hafiz and Lt-Gen Hasan are due to retire on October 30, while Lt-Gen Ghazi on February 1, 2005, Lt-Gen Akram on April 16, 2005, and Lt-Gen Shahid on April 30, 2005. If the superseded lieutenant generals seek pre-mature retirement, the Multan, Bahawalpur and Gujranwala corps will also have new commanders.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_3-10-2004_pg1_1



May 12, 2003
LFO draws a dangerous line

Top military appointments not ‘subject to law
ISLAMABAD: The top four military appointments made by the President, now strictly “in his discretion”, are not “subject to law” as previously provided in the Constitution, recent discussions about presidential powers under Article 243, concluded on Friday by the 11-member joint committee, have highlighted.

Legal experts point out that the LFO has drawn a line between the four appointments and the ordinary commissions granted by the President in the three military services. This line separates the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee from all other military recruitments, postings and promotions that are made under the Pakistan Army Act 1952 or its equivalent instruments for Navy and Air Force. The latest demarcation can cause some complications, caution legal experts. The LFO essentially sought to restore the Presidential discretion in these appointments that was deleted by the 13th Amendment to shift the power back to the Cabinet Room. But the redrafting has separated the grant of commissions and the highest appointments.

The exercise of powers by the President under this Article was “subject to law” for all the matters and functions listed in there. The Clause (2) of the Article earlier read as follows:

(2) The President shall subject to law, have power - (a) to raise and maintain the Military, Naval and Air Forces of Pakistan; and the reserves of such forces; (b) to grant commission in such forces; and (c) to appoint the Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, the Chief of the Army Staff, the Chief of the Naval Staff and the Chief of the Air Staff, and determine their salaries and allowances.”

In the LFO the above clause (c) was converted into a new Clause (3), thereby de-linking it from Clause (2) and the rider that conditions the exercise of power under or ‘subject to law’. The de-linking takes the Presidential discretion beyond the bounds of military law, though by default not design.

The same also applies to their salaries and allowances that the President can now determine beyond any law presently in force. As far remunerations, the four appointments will now fall in the category of functionaries given in Article 250. The Constitution had earlier given a sequence to military recruitments, commissions and promotions culminating in the four offices.

The pattern for military appointments is exactly the opposite to that preferred for Judiciary which starts with the Chief Justice of Pakistan and moves downwards. Late General Zia had inserted Clause (1A) in this Article to ensure his total grip and hold over the Armed Forces because Clause (1) gives the “control and command of the Armed Force” to the ‘Federal Government’. To demarcate his command from that of the Federal Government, Zia added the following elaboration through his Revival of the Constitution Order: “(1A) Without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing provision, the Supreme Command of the Armed Forces shall vest in the President.” The amendment during Nawaz Sharif era narrowly missed this crucial clause and it is still part of the Constitution.

The Supreme Court Judgment in Zafar Ali Shah Case did not rule or interpret as to where the power exactly stood in October ‘99. The Clause (1A) holds the key to the Article 243 but the LFO author seems to have ignored the basic framework of this article.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_12-5-2003_pg7_34
See part 5






Earthman, Pakistan - 26 September, 2007

Loot Sale of 3 stars and 4 stars-5
06 March, 2002
In the last week of January, the Pakistan Government made an innocuous announcement. It was about the promotion of 27 Brigadiers as Major Generals. Last year, 22 Brigadiers were similarly elevated. In all, there are 49 new Major Generals in the Pakistan Army today-an alarmingly high number for a comparatively smaller army.

Note: There are hundred of reports available on global level; even Indian scholars have more strategic and personal info about Pak Army in depth. This information is not a state secret; media is continuously reporting “who will be next politician in uniform”.

This month is a turning point in the history of Pakistan, whether uniformed sycophants will rule over Pakistan or Professional Army Generals will abide to their oath and will prefer to defend territory of Pakistan. If foreign lords will succeed in making Mush as Hosni Mubarik or Pinochet, then he will be next Gorbachov. It is significant to point out that Pak Army will be thrown in civil war. Fate of Pakistan is in the hands of Professional Generals and officers of Pak Army, whether those will act or let Pakistan die for ever.

Act now otherwise no body might omit destiny written on the wall.
Recently promoted and prequalified for higher posts are politicians in uniform, don't trust them for the defence of Pakistan, those are fit for mercenries and to act as private army for economical benefits.
International Professor-Pakistan



Earthman, Pakistan - 26 September, 2007

Coupocracy--round two

Excepting North Korea, China and Cuba and a few regimes born out of the Mexican Revolution, there is no elected government which had not experienced military intervention into the government, after the second World War.. Even before the first World War, there was not a single internationally free country, which had experienced a military rule, except a few in Latin America states, where military coups were part of the tradition.

Generally in third world countries, military rulers are not willful dictators, but often came in genuinely in their efforts to clear up mess created by the corrupt governments. Mostly, they fail in their endeavors due to inexperience in civil governance. That is the reason why some military heads of states last very long. Conditions giving the slightest indication that those governments would fall into the wrong hands, brought in the American support and covert interventions. Local politicians being the adversaries, naturally had to be tackled through easily accessible military through various convenient deals. Such deals in fact heralds their marriage of convenience. This type of governance is now called, "Coupocratic Government", which is headed by a "good dictator", according to American definition. Musharraf came as an acceptable good dictator.
It would be recalled that, Z.A. Bhutto had prophesied in one of his overseas addresses that, for a long time to come, Coupocracy is going to be the only form of governance in most of the African and other third world countries. Bloodless counter-coups in a Coupocratic government being a difficult proposition, short civilian sojourns are provided as the necessary safe transition period.

President Musharraf has exactly fallen into the definition and therefore, is trying to shift into civilian sojourn, after utilizing his military quota. The system is very much in line with the above outlined procedure, openly planned and executed under the strict supervision of the covert planners, having noxious hidden agenda under various guises. In short, military politics, like military intelligence, tends to create political voids and then orchestrate to fill-in those voids with fancies, unthinkable from contemporary political forces. Under this arrangement, instability and insecurity are the greatest tools to achieve targets.

M.Saeed, Pakistan - 26 September, 2007

Loot Sale of 3 stars and 4 stars-1

As for as D day is reaching closer, sentimental Adolf Mush is trying hard to do what he has means to utilize for the sake of Presidency? Data of last four five years is clearly showing his anxiety by illegally occupying a constitutional post on gun point. Continuous bribe of promotions, up-gradation of low level posts, crowd of almost 150 generals and appointments on civilian posts is a clear sign of creation of a Natzi style government.

Incoming days are very crucial for Adolf Mush, he is well aware what his end is? His final fate is well written on the wall, eventually Gen. Zia, Shah Iran, Marcos or Suharto. In case his employer are not prepared to made him Zia, then there are thousand of peoples who are blood thirsty, his vicious activities are being cheered by his employers, but on other hand strength of victims is increasing each day. The protection provided by foreign lords will be no more available after leaving GHQ.

Nucleus of this exercise is to make Fauji Political Party happy and to remove non-sycophant class Army professionals, and replaced with lickspittles and non-professionals.

In this work out nation has received those Generals who are fit to work on Ministry of Interior posts, like Police, IB, Special Police, FIA and Railway Police. But dilemma is that not a single General on top posts is fit to work under Ministry of Defence, particularly on Pak Army post meant to defend borders of Pakistan. ISI which was responsible for strategic Intelligence under two generals, Gen Ehsan ul Haq and Gen Ashfaq Pervaiz Kiyani, converted elite organization into mess, its main role was transformed in kidnapping, harassment, and bugging, operating secret prisons cells, buying and selling of politicians, and making deals with politicians. Once ISI was a big name on global level, nation was proud on its existence, list of its patriotic services very long, but after Oct 1999 its role was entirely changed. Now appointments of new DG, ISI today, please watch his services for Adolf Mush, not a single media mentioned his professional capabilities. Think about this seriously, my objection is bitter but as a citizen what I am feeling couldn’t be represented in sugar coated form.

Now come to Corpse Commander Rawalpindi, this corpse is poisonous for survival of democracy in Pakistan. It is working as NATZi SS, role of these corpse was not so opened to every citizen, but Corpse Commander Tariq Javed took it to heights of obsequiousness, not only received the title of “Butcher” from public but as savagely he conducted Jamia Hafsa operation, his name will be written with top aids of fascist dictator.

It is bad luck of nation that after retirement of two vicious sycophants, other two in queue, are also not professional soldiers (politician soldiers). Reputation of newly appointed DG, ISI is known to public, but two pre-qualified for the post of JCSC and COAS have also same type of credentials.

No body still believe that coward Adolf Mush will remove his skin, reporters informed that large size boxes have been shifted to presidency Islamabad on Military trucks but his fear is right, as stated above.

Following reports published in media will highlight how abnormal ways had been adopted and such practice is still in progress.
See part 2



Earthman, Pakistan - 26 September, 2007

Loot Sale of 3 stars and 4 stars-2

Seniority List of Generals

September 21, 2007

1. Gen Ahsan Saleem Hayat, Vice Chief of Army Staff, GHQ. (Retiring in October 2007)

2. Gen Ehsan ul Haq, Chairman Joint Chief of Staff Committee. (Ret in Oct 2007)

3. Lt Gen Khalid Ahmed Kidwai, DG SPD. (On Extension)

4. Lt Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kiani, DG ISI. (Replaced by Lt Gen Nadeem Taj)

5. (Lt Gen Malik Arif Hayat, DG C41, GHQ). Replaced by Lt Gen Jamil Haider

6. (Lt Gen Tariq Majeed, Corps Commander Rawalpindi). Replaced by Lt Gen Mohsin Kamal

7. Lt Gen Safdar Hussain, Chief of Logistics Staff (CLS), GHQ.

8. Lt Gen Syed Athar Ali, DG at Joint Staff HQ.

9. Lt Gen Waseem Ahmed Ashraf, Corps Commander Gujranwala.

10. Lt Gen Mohammed Sabir, Military Secretary, GHQ.

11. Lt Gen Imtiaz Hussain, Adjutant General, GHQ.

12. Lt Gen Afzal Muzaffar, Quarter Master General (QMG), GHQ.

13. Lt Gen Hamid Rab Nawaz, IG T&E, GHQ.

14. Lt Gen Salahuddin Satti, Chief of General Staff (CGS), GHQ.

15. Lt Gen Sabahat Hussain, Chairman Pakistan Ordnance Factories.

16. Lt Gen Raza Khan, Corps Commander Bahawalpur.

17. Lt Gen Masood Aslam, Corps Commander Peshawar.

18. Lt Gen Shafaatullah Shah, Corps Commander Lahore.

19. Lt Gen Hamid Khan, President, National Defense University.

20. Lt Gen Israr Ahmed Ghumman, DG, Heavy Industries Taxila.

21. Lt Gen Ahsan Azhar Hayat, Corps Commander Karachi.

22. Lt Gen Nadeem Ahmad, Deputy Chairman ERRA (Earthquake Rehabilitation and Reconstruction Authority).

23. Lt Gen Sajjad Akram, Corps Commander Mangla.

24. Lt Gen Muhammed Zaki, DG Infantry, GHQ.

25. Lt Gen Sikandar Afzal, Corps Commander Multan.

26. Lt Gen Ijaz Ahmed Bakhshi, DG W&E, GHQ.

27. Lt Gen Mushtaq Ahmed Baig, Surgeon General, GHQ.

28. Lt Gen Khalid Shameem Wynne, Corps Commander Quetta.

29. Lt Gen Mohammad Ashraf Saleem, Commander Army Air Defence Command.

30. Lt Gen General Shahid Niaz, Engineer-in-Chief Pakistan Army.

31. Lt Gen Muhammad Yousaf, Vice Chief of General Staff, GHQ.

32. Lt Gen Syed Absar Hussain, Commander Army Strategic Force Command (ASFC).

33. Lt Gen Javed Zia, GHQ. (Promoted as Lt. General and posted as Dy Chief of Gen Staff) DCGS

34. Lt Gen Shujaat Zamir Dar, DG ANF (Anti-Narcotics Force). (Promoted to Lt. General)

35. Lt Gen Mohsin Kamal, New Corps Commander Rawalpindi.

36. Lt Gen Muhammad Asghar, Rector, NUST. (Promoted to Lt. General)
see Part 3
37. Lt Gen Jamil Haider, GHQ. (Promoted to Lt. General and posted as DG C4I in the GHQ)

38. Lt Gen Nadeem Taj, New DG ISI.

39. Maj Gen Nasir Janjua, DG, MO (Military Operations).

40. Maj Gen Zahid Hussain, Commandant, PMA

41. Maj GenWaheed Arshad, DG ISPR






Earthman, Pakistan - 26 September, 2007

Number of Generals is too many!

As ususal I have lot of praise for"International professor " for writing such a detailed analysis with a sympathetic heart.Unfortuantely the number of Generals(LtGEn,Maj Gen or Brig Gen) is more than public toliets in Pakistans big cities although Public toilets have more use for the nation than these merceneraries cum politicians in uniforms.There forefathers were obedient servant and tool for the British rule now these are the tool for the American foreign policies in the area.They have no loyalty to Pakistan nor to Pakistanis.

Jawaid SUltan Pindiwal., United Kingdom - 27 September, 2007

trechoury


ime minister leading a coalition government, and with an army chief. This means the next army chief and the new head of the ISI could be heavily involved in politics [b]at a time when they need to [u]concentrate[/u] on obeying Washington orders. [/b]

The[b] process of purging Islamic sympathizers [/b]within the ranks of the military and the intelligence apparatus has been going on since the 9/11 attacks, but the new ISI chief will not be able to deal with the growing desire for Islam before sealing the leaks in the national security network -- an objective that is not likely to be achieved any time soon. Among other problems, [b]this could create a conflict between Washington and Islamabad over the United States' counter Islam imperatives.[/b]


Dr Sahib,

are you being sarcastic? or are you asserting a point of view upon the peoples of Pakistan? (and you dare use the word treacherous?)


the way you word your article is strange to me? there is purging of Islamic ¨extremists¨ from the armed forces, yet you neglect to mention the latter.....and only mention Islamic sympathizers as if the government is in a war against Islam itself? or are you implying that Musharaf is the devil?


what confuses me further Dr sahib is that in the previous paragraph you clearly advocating the ISI to co-operate more with Washington and then you mention that Washingtonś aim is to counter Islam.


so you are basically saying that musharaf is in the camp of zionists which is a bad thing, but then you are criticizing his efforts in aiding the zionists?


there is only one conclusion Dr Sahib that you have here tried to portray your self as a anti islam writer who is critical of musharafs intelect, and are using your article to portray musharaf in zionist camp along side with you.



and thus i must now refrain from using Dr and must say Mr Zahid, how dare you talk of trechoury?

Mohammed Yahya, Pakistan - 28 September, 2007

Days Numbered

Mr.Musharraf in occupying own country was in a high esteem and had claimed that he was is impressed of Mustafa Kamal Ataturk and himself did try to bring such changes in the country. which failed upto some extent as he himself failed in his policies which has appeared in the form of the present chaos in the country.
Now Mr.Musharraf dreams to have BBG as his companion as a prime minister (with Iltaf Hussain as the other in hide out) and to rule the country rather drag the country as before but it seems to be impossible because his days are gone and he has lost his opportunity. Even any other friendly military officer if be made a head of any department that can not be like Musharraf himself or will work certainly not as a loyal to a single man.



Mohammad Ilyas, Pakistan - 29 September, 2007

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